From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs 26.1 on Windows is HUGE Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:19:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87h8axwsv6.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87d0loujuf.fsf@telefonica.net> <87y34bxzoo.fsf@russet.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="255770"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Lindqvist Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 16 23:22:21 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVX2-0014Pj-Dh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 23:22:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43007 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVX1-0003Q3-BJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 17:22:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33239) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVUw-0002Bw-S2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 17:20:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVUv-0002Uo-OF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 17:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:56824) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVUv-0001b8-6z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 17:20:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=aNsRHLVwC8whY09q1w2jUBO4H/qcFzll3b/6tR40XdM=; b=dnU+fI4kjBvv+3PVR0LLV/Gstq rU/tmA7vYiZW+8E9GdQxt8GPmBVwBw7OOIFXDm82L3n0CYFiir4rJ+J5LBBX5y+rAt7mpvDwmKrSV ZB1cXaDoRIkMUwDueEiB8OjOhea3Putt9MkECakzuFP3zSGBtSpfYrx+Z0sR6uCZInyC0oIztvRXA tVnj/Vc0dsxg7YXxYHSgeJg2ordyjvSE0UiV388t7OQIzttQ0ULoYVw/3PMcFx2Toswx4NGsrrd0P GDfwfqJh495JItlOV7IVhk2RdVVv5GYahKWvw5A9k6caV87hQe79jyBP7pZbHxvo/sB45/V4Ac2fY in+CzRKQ==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:50800 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1hGVUE-0000Vd-Kc; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:19:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Lindqvist"'s message of "Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:57:35 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119940 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Lindqvist writes: >> Removing the redundant executables would break things for people who >> want to unpack over an MSYS installation. > > Perhaps the MSYS users can be taught to run cp emacs.exe > emacs-26.1.exe as a post-installation command? It seems like a vastly > superior alternative to wasting both bandwidth and disk space for the > large majority of Emacs users on Windows who are not interested in > MSYS. Maybe. We are talking about 100Mb, which currently costs a fraction of the smallest unit of most currencies; so I am struggling with "vastly". I would guess that it is the minority of users who care about this; they can, of course, rm emacs-26.1.exe with no harmful effects. > >> If you really care about the disk space (100Mb is really stretching >> the definition of "huge" these days), using file system level >> compression would solve this problem, as well as reducing the size >> of other parts of Emacs also. >> >> Happy for there to be a discussion about debug information of >> emacs-devel, though. If it's not needed, it can be removed. > > I'm using old hardware with a small SSD which I'm happy with. I don't > want to have to update my hardware to accommodate Emacs growing > requirements. > > While the 100mb file doesn't consume more memory, it takes longer to > load than an 8mb executable. Compressing it would increase the load > time further. Likewise here I am a bit surprised. You can notice the difference between 100mb vs 8mb on a SSD drive? I use compression on the build machine for Emacs for Windows and it does have an impact on the overall size, although that machine has lots of copies of the same files. > I'll happily start a discussion on emacs-devel. I just wanted to first > make sure I'm not resurrecting an old flame war or something along > those lines. Like political reasons for Windows Emacs being packaged > that way. If it is just neglect causing the bad packaging then I can > probably help fix that. I have some experience packaging Linux > applications for Windows. I genuinely do not know why it is that way, although it was probably me that made it so. I would guess because Eli finds it easier to get better bug reports. Maybe it's just a mess up on my behalf. That's why I suggest you ask. Phil