From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: moasenwood--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: finding stuff Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 02:38:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87h7n4lbo5.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87a6szjc81.fsf@logand.com> <838s8h2bm7.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35181"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:om2r+1MRJHVYgn3VuxQBQ7tuVsA= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 26 02:39:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l4DKQ-00091L-QG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 02:39:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36626 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4DKP-0000Oc-OV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:39:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37208) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4DJt-0000Mq-35 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:39:01 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:53052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4DJr-0007nj-Gx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 20:39:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l4DJp-0008EY-72 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 02:38:57 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127362 Archived-At: Bob Newell wrote: > Using menus is for anyone who wishes and/or likes to do so, > and as mentioned elsewhere, they do have the great advantage > of allowing for learning by discovery (this is especially > true if you use Gnus). > > I don't use them myself, not because of a fear of being > labeled, and certainly not because I already know everything > (I prove daily that I'm forever learning). I don't use menus > because for me they get in the way by taking up screen > space, being distracting, and generally requiring reaching > for the mouse. But my use case is not necessarily > anyone else's. I don't ever use the mouse but other than that I agree 100% :) But ... this is a mere interface issue/detail and shouldn't be a dispute, TEHO. Rather, what _are_ the best ways of "fining stuff", in general I mean? Is there a unified function to look everywhere and to give an output with hints/links where to look next, an output that may point to emacs(1), tutorials, manuals, the Wiki, maybe even sites like the Emacs SX, furthermore docstrings, FAQs, all you can think of and all that exists? If so, I didn't see it! (Well, if it exists, maybe I could use it to find it, even!) What I can think of ... what I use ... that doesn't do that but are still very useful ... are `apropos' `apropos-command' `apropos-value' -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal