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From: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:18:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h7e2qk0m.fsf@alphapapa.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87sfxmgqvd.fsf@fastmail.fm

Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> writes:

> As Gregory points out, there is a package that does this already. It actually
> has another issue, which is that indentation is sometimes wrong. If the second
> argument of a function is on a separate line, it's indented to align with the
> first argument. This position depends on the length of the prefix of the
> function name:
>
> ```
> (somelongprefix-do-something arg1
>                              arg2)
> ```
>
> The nameless package can align `arg2` so that it matches up with `arg1`, but
> unlike the shortening of the prefix, that indentation is saved to the file.
> Not dramatic, but it can occasionally be annoying.

FWIW, this is a dramatically annoying problem that has prevented me from
using Nameless.  :)  Either the code is indented incorrectly while I'm
editing it with Nameless activated, or it's indented incorrectly in the
saved file.  And having incorrect indentation is more annoying than
longer symbols, for me.

Since I usually use aggressive-indent-mode for my Elisp projects, I once
tried to use hooks to automatically reindent a file with full symbol
names before saving, and restore the abbreviated view and indentation
afterward, but I couldn't make it work smoothly (IIRC, buffers always
indicated that they were modified after having saved them and
reactivated the mode, which was an even bigger problem for usability).

If this issue could be solved, it could be as Phil said: user-local
symbol abbreviations that are transparent to everything else.




  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-30 13:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 371+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-28  0:38 Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Phil Sainty
2021-09-28  5:43 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-28  7:26   ` João Távora
2021-09-30  6:03   ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-30  8:20     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-30 10:31       ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-30 10:54         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-30 11:18           ` João Távora
2021-09-30 11:40             ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-30 16:58             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-30 20:25               ` João Távora
2021-10-01  3:01                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-30 11:30           ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-30 17:37             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-30 11:46         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-30 12:41           ` João Távora
2021-09-30 13:00             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-30 13:26               ` João Távora
2021-09-30 14:26                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-30 14:57                   ` João Távora
2021-09-30 15:50                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-30 16:02                       ` João Távora
2021-09-30 17:58                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-30 23:30                           ` João Távora
2021-10-04 15:29                   ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-30 13:18             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-30 13:31               ` João Távora
2021-09-30 13:41                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-30 16:23             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-30 17:19               ` João Távora
2021-10-01  1:20                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-09-30 22:10               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-09-30 22:22                 ` A read-based grep-like for symbols (el-search?) (was Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master)) João Távora
2021-09-30 23:23                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-09-30 23:38                     ` João Távora
2021-10-01  1:17                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-01  7:02                       ` tomas
2021-10-01 13:15                         ` João Távora
2021-10-01 13:53                           ` tomas
2021-10-01 14:30                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-01 14:40                             ` João Távora
2021-10-01 15:48                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-01 16:05                                 ` João Távora
2021-10-01 16:11                                   ` João Távora
2021-10-01 16:41                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-01 23:17                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-02  1:14                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-02  1:46                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-02  2:13                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-04 15:57                                           ` André A. Gomes
2021-10-02  1:05                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-02  1:30                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-02  1:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-02  2:05                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-02  2:24                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-02  8:39                                           ` Adam Porter
2021-10-02  8:36                                 ` Adam Porter
2021-10-02 12:16                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-02 23:18                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-03 21:17                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-07 22:21                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-18 21:13                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 21:22                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-20  6:45                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-20  8:00                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-23 23:26                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-01 22:58                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-01 23:03                                 ` João Távora
2021-10-02  8:50                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 10:29                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-02 11:57                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 12:44                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-02 14:50                                           ` João Távora
2021-10-02 15:01                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 15:22                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-02 15:33                                               ` But then what are namespaces ? (was: A read-based grep-like for symbols (el-search?) (was Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master))) João Távora
2021-10-02 19:42                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 19:59                                                   ` But then what are namespaces ? Stefan Monnier
2021-10-02 20:41                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 21:05                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-02 21:09                                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-02 21:14                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-02 22:41                                                             ` João Távora
2021-10-02 22:49                                                               ` João Távora
2021-10-02 23:31                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-03 21:47                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 20:00                                                   ` But then what are namespaces ? (was: A read-based grep-like for symbols (el-search?) (was Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master))) João Távora
2021-10-02 20:41                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 20:46                                                       ` João Távora
2021-10-03  1:15                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-02 15:25                                             ` A read-based grep-like for symbols (el-search?) (was Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master)) João Távora
2021-10-02 16:08                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-01 22:58                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-01 23:10                             ` João Távora
2021-10-02  9:03                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-02 10:25                                 ` João Távora
2021-10-01 23:04                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-09-30 12:34         ` Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-28  6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-28  7:41   ` João Távora
2021-09-28  8:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-28  8:07     ` Helmut Eller
2021-10-02  1:06       ` João Távora
2021-09-28 12:40   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-28 15:28     ` João Távora
2021-09-28 19:21       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-28 17:25   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-28 18:25     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-28 19:05       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-28 19:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-30 12:23           ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-30 12:28             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-30 12:29               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-30 12:44             ` Joost Kremers
2021-09-30 13:18               ` Adam Porter [this message]
2021-10-01  0:11                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-30 12:52             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-30 12:55               ` João Távora
2021-09-30 13:49                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-30 13:17             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-01  0:21               ` João Távora
2021-09-30 14:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-30 14:27               ` João Távora
2021-09-30 22:50               ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-01  0:44                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-01  7:06                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-01  7:24                     ` João Távora
2021-10-01 10:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-01  6:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-01 12:24                   ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-01 13:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02  0:28                       ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-02  6:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02  7:44                           ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-02  8:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02  9:20                               ` bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Phil Sainty
2021-10-02 10:15                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 11:02                                   ` João Távora
2021-10-02 11:09                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 11:14                                       ` João Távora
2021-10-02 11:54                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-02 12:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 14:02                                             ` João Távora
2021-10-02 14:20                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 14:43                                                 ` João Távora
2021-10-02 14:56                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 15:22                                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-02 15:53                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 17:46                                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-02 17:58                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 18:03                                                             ` João Távora
2021-10-02 18:28                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04  0:14                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04  0:14                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04  0:14                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04 11:55                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 10:45                                               ` bug#50959: [PATCH] " João Távora
2021-10-06 12:19                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-06 12:34                                                   ` João Távora
2021-10-06 12:50                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-06 12:53                                                       ` João Távora
2021-10-06 19:59                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-10-06 20:19                                                           ` João Távora
2021-10-10 10:46                                                 ` João Távora
2021-10-10 11:08                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-10 13:39                                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-10 14:23                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04  0:14                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-02 11:53                                     ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-02 12:10                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-02 12:37                                         ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-02 14:17                                           ` João Távora
2021-10-02 10:52                             ` Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) João Távora
2021-10-04  0:12                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04  0:16                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04 13:09                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-04 15:44                                 ` João Távora
2021-10-04 16:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 17:43                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-04 17:51                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 18:34                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-04 19:15                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-04 19:30                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-05 21:20                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 13:12                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-05 21:20                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 21:20                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 22:07                                     ` João Távora
2021-10-05 22:15                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-06 11:28                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-06 12:21                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-06 12:30                                             ` João Távora
2021-10-06 12:46                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-06 13:16                                                 ` João Távora
2021-10-06 16:23                                                   ` João Távora
2021-10-06 20:00                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-06 21:10                                                       ` João Távora
2021-10-06 21:39                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-10 21:09                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-07 22:21                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07 22:24                                         ` João Távora
2021-10-08  6:08                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 12:58                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-08 13:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-10 21:06                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-10 21:18                                                   ` João Távora
2021-10-08 14:16                                               ` João Távora
2021-10-08 15:55                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-08 17:34                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 18:16                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-08 18:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 23:43                                                   ` João Távora
2021-10-01 22:38             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-01 22:41               ` João Távora
2021-10-01 22:52               ` João Távora
2021-10-01 23:52               ` Phil Sainty
2021-10-02  1:38               ` T.V Raman
2021-09-28 19:30         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-28 18:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-28 19:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-28 19:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-28 19:31           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-28 19:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-30 22:10         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-30 23:59           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-28  7:21 ` João Távora
2021-09-28 12:49   ` Phil Sainty
2021-09-28 13:08     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-28 14:04       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-28 15:01         ` Adam Porter
2021-09-28 15:20       ` João Távora
2021-09-28 19:23         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-28 15:15     ` João Távora
2021-09-30  6:06     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05  5:57       ` Elisp LSP Server Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-05  6:38         ` Po Lu
2021-10-05  9:50           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-05 11:27             ` Po Lu
2021-10-05 11:46               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-06 20:57                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 21:22                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-06 21:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-07 22:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07  0:49                   ` Po Lu
2021-10-10 12:48                     ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-10 14:19                       ` Daniel Martín
2021-10-10 16:49                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-10 19:25                           ` Daniel Martín
2021-10-11  7:44                         ` Po Lu
2021-10-11 21:15                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-12  5:29                           ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-12  5:48                             ` Po Lu
2021-10-12 17:14                               ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-12 17:46                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 20:53                                   ` dick
2021-10-13  2:29                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 11:56                                       ` dick
2021-10-13 13:19                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13  4:47                                   ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-13  0:02                                 ` Po Lu
2021-10-27 14:36                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-27 18:04                                   ` dick
2021-10-27 18:27                                     ` tomas
2021-10-27 18:33                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 18:55                                     ` Karl Fogel
2021-10-27 19:15                                       ` dick
2021-10-12  7:14                             ` tomas
2021-10-12  8:04                               ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-12 22:43                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-13  5:36                               ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-13 22:40                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-12 22:43                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-13  3:42                               ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-13  5:20                                 ` Po Lu
2021-10-13 12:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 12:49                                     ` Po Lu
2021-10-13 13:25                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 13:37                                         ` Po Lu
2021-10-13 13:53                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 23:42                                             ` Po Lu
2021-10-13 13:38                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-14 22:22                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-14 22:26                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-15  6:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-15  9:54                                         ` Tim Cross
2021-10-10 23:45                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-11  7:34                       ` Po Lu
2021-10-11  9:10                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-11 10:46                           ` Po Lu
2021-10-11 10:48                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-11 21:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-12  7:17                               ` tomas
2021-10-14 12:48                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-15 22:47                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-11 21:10                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-22 16:23                       ` Mathias Dahl
2021-10-22 16:40                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-22 16:45                           ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-22 19:59                             ` Tim Cross
2021-10-22 21:09                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-22 21:58                                 ` Tim Cross
2021-10-22 22:27                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-22 22:48                                 ` Tim Cross
2021-10-22 23:11                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-23 23:27                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-25  7:47                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-23  2:00                             ` Po Lu
2021-10-25  2:17                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-25  7:00                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-22 16:55                           ` Mathias Dahl
2021-10-22 20:55                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-25  2:17                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-25  7:22                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-25  7:45                                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-10-25  7:51                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-25  8:23                                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-10-30  6:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-01 11:48                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-01 17:47                                     ` Tim Cross
2021-11-03  3:18                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-03 20:06                                       ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2021-11-05  3:53                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-05  5:55                                           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-11-05  6:25                                             ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2021-11-05  9:56                                       ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-10-25  5:46               ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2021-10-06 20:57             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 21:35               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-05 10:15         ` Joost Kremers
2021-10-06 20:57           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-12  2:52             ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-12  3:37               ` dick
2021-10-12  3:43               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 22:41                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-12  4:08               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-12  5:55               ` Po Lu
2021-10-12  7:22                 ` Ag Ibragimov
2021-10-12 10:21                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-12 12:14                     ` tomas
2021-10-12 12:51                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-12 13:08                         ` tomas
2021-10-12 12:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-12 22:41                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-13  0:00                   ` Po Lu
2021-10-13  0:22                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-13  0:31                   ` Tim Cross
2021-10-13 17:15                     ` Joost Kremers
2021-10-13 17:34                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-13 20:00                         ` Tim Cross
2021-10-13 21:47                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-13 23:14                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-14  6:39                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  6:58                             ` Po Lu
2021-10-14  6:52                           ` Po Lu
2021-10-14 11:08                             ` dick
2021-10-14 13:34                           ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-10-14  8:20                         ` João Távora
2021-10-15 22:51                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-16 19:02                             ` João Távora
2021-10-17 23:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-17 23:58                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-20 22:33                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-18  0:32                                 ` Tim Cross
2021-10-18  1:18                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18  2:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-18 12:43                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 13:13                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  7:01                       ` Po Lu
2021-10-14  8:43                         ` [OT] Elisp as a general purpose programming language (was: Elisp LSP Server) Joost Kremers
2021-10-14 10:37                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-14  7:03                     ` Elisp LSP Server Po Lu

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