From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tomas Hlavaty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:00:49 +0200 Message-ID: <87h7e2jjzy.fsf@logand.com> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <874ka5gsqa.fsf@gnus.org> <25d8d72022b571db5291@heytings.org> <87h7e2xsl5.fsf@gmail.com> <25d8d72022e1ea7ed022@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8023"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= , Phil Sainty , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 15:03:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVviu-0001sY-Av for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:03:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50840 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVvis-0007Bh-Il for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:03:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56676) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVvgJ-0005Ch-59 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:00:59 -0400 Original-Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:60946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVvgE-0003LZ-70; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:00:57 -0400 Original-Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 20A8A19EB31; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 15:00:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 27.2 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=37.48.87.44; envelope-from=tom@logand.com; helo=logand.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275886 Archived-At: On Thu 30 Sep 2021 at 13:41, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora w= rote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 12:46 Gregory Heytings wrote: >> > but it's the wrong tool. >> And what is/what are the "right" tool(s) for the above use case? > In contrast, in some common lisp IDEs you have such tools and expose this > database. Xref in Emacs was originally derived from work of a Common Lisp > programmer, which created the amazing SLIME, which you may have heard of. > SLIME (and my fork of it Sly) are indeed able to use these databases. > > Andr=C3=A9's comment is very accurate. In SLIME, one eats Lisp with a spo= on, not > a fork. =20=20 Except it does not remove the need for grep. It misses a lot of things, you cannot rely on it completely. It needs the lisp code loaded and compiled sucessfully. Slime + Common Lisp are great but not perfect. unique and non-stupid names like "s" =3D> perfect grep and web search