From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-28 e55e2d4: ; * etc/NEWS: Minor copyedit about 'repeat-mode'. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277425 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: Hi Juri, >>> This is more wrong than before. 'repeat-mode' can be disabled only >>> explicitly by the user. Whereas any other key exits transient mode >>> enabled by 'set-transient-map'. >> >> I see. But even in its original wording, it confuses me: >> >> Type 'M-x repeat-mode RET' to enable this mode. You can then type >> 'C-x u u' instead of 'C-x u C-x u' to undo many changes, 'C-x o o' >> instead of 'C-x o C-x o' to switch windows, 'C-x { { } } ^ ^ v v' to >> resize the selected window interactively, 'M-g n n p p' to navigate >> next-error matches. Any other key exits transient mode and then is >> executed normally. >> >> At first glance, I don't know what is "executed normally". The command? >> The key? But a key isn't "executed" I believe, it is rather handled. > > Or more precisely: "The default key binding is used". Sounds good. >> And maybe it is also better to speak about "transient input mode", like >> in other places in NEWS? This would give a better idea what it is about >> to exit. > > A transient input method is something completely different. > >> (I'm not much familiar with "transient modes", and so will be most of >> the readers of this NEWS file) > > From (info "(elisp) Controlling Active Maps"): > > -- Function: set-transient-map keymap &optional keep-pred on-exit > This function adds KEYMAP as a =E2=80=9Ctransient=E2=80=9D keymap, w= hich takes > precedence over other keymaps for one (or more) subsequent keys. > > So maybe "transient mode" should be replaced with "transient keymap"? As said, I know almost nothing about "transient.*". The term "transient mode" let me thing about a major or minor mode, which seems to be wrong. Anything which prevents me (and others) to do so is fine :-) Best regards, Michael.