From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Morally equivalent Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:32:58 +0200 Message-ID: <87h703e445.fsf@web.de> References: <87y1tfzhzm.fsf@undisclosedlocation.com> <877d0zfjqa.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24652"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 01:34:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okD9R-00069y-Vq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:34:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36578 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okD9Q-0006bq-H6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 19:34:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60368) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okD7y-0006bg-Le for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 19:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:37813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okD7t-0002Aj-Sx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 19:33:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1665963179; bh=xhH/lfUN/ZVGfYZ8+isUfRbD8KoEMQ63N33ERrjboYA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=CKYRYfDP/vzR/Owq7NrXTRY1+J1whsXjegaun9CBByprj1+dCyYV6IALySNZSnCif i8YU8HUkcDCe2KkVo2m5kXUUWXNQQwvvC3+xJm/Z6i0lHVAuEsZSopqLYnKnZrCjho 0Ao24lnR5oG8DFLl90En/207LPAx7rVbpP6eUGpj9SbJevgBqctLvn92eq3ooL+d3B l001Z5s/aiTU0FSB8zj5fTKfl3tNGfS0zDS7l7tuRiNLgNH/UPFiT4wSVjR6zIupXb JSoIrcZbKTcFnuYPTUinS8jAD8EnHKECRAqc57VLUyScGmC3aYzC4ryMPqQZ1xo7TL JVYeS42YlqqBg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.222.172.180]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MMY1D-1oSP9w2oZL-00JgdV; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:32:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Christopher Dimech's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:17:56 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:6hMlosB4jYCGevGNextTPhR9KdkcUsFzAE+GNrkHGNlYR5f+tjv CXd17F2BKfXUHAsbLxUAxmjO2TmPo66C/VxZIMJzBe4SPwnUMlbVIs3Z8CqlgpdktdW6uNg wRAMFJUFRRBCChGdCCNQCuIVBN2xP1+Arwa1Zq3JpUth27og0wC9xux+87kAZ8KQGcrQ9iS C+yj+2sny6ITP3QuDDfug== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rEzceBJwJIY=:Mn6DbkFeYvwcV8GVhUZnlJ BjScuiL02mLZkwYVCZb+a1WLZHTwh0cclCfpyvFeh+vc2lY18IHcBhVsL/yDbSB2D2kdgdYTY Ts6qoMJ1sb6jPOgNytj1EiDupChKcHo3t3LHb5W8HUTjCiP/3A+iOpaMSiXqkdbEIuKCn9P+D DoaLjYpIIdTSrJWbu/yOC3OjlcPUnr87OPck0mqVLgUvqpKCbyRVX8Kq5XQHo3CQ3DHygmoAX UFdre+7sQYYhGuAYrC1hwWHf+InlszLLDOjeQQJlsm07X/javgQYKVqsNUb3s3TXeF0dQrS8d +HBxUywYAmTh3CJyDwJ9+Hs+ARnSHOqA8IBcXzB20lHPEOhnq2UKucvAYOnnS09ylxIy48dJT OKBDxQRB3b/pQONMC/q3if8NoOqTmReWmd1vtxBt2H3uijNlidYh+1rNPbltaa04bFDkeofQF 1RlEyRfS0UtxgeCC35JeUPtUuY6P8AgC5z7RYvrSRoRE49uJUna0MSXzTh2za86ay0IhD3oiZ ADvzKOFkfIVkzIzSnsODl2w9y92r/rvuJGt4arVB+sVYWfmZQ13sVsD4dhJONFt1D3w4aDtvX MlYVlLqkFJIhLBAWGl78moxFVGezYa4D7sSu4shGNYVTlo4UJ0/7wwgSYG4m/84CsbYOq2Ady oW+9Zl2o1R0h+Kp1pg22VCwR2EvLAvvUvg+JzyL42S95xRFI3tQsQ6seDWJ70SXyiWYfq8AYk 66z7RcfZCW7s9aahEAoc/MIanKY/4dziaRDq8M5CUVORIFjzTO2GiodXZVMaCky3PCIhCofP Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.3; envelope-from=michael_heerdegen@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140024 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: > The problem was about the wording, if it turns out Stefan wrote it, then > he is not above anybody else. The problem is that in some important ways, > things are not precise. Nothing in human language is precise. For me it was precise enough to understand the meaning perfectly. > And users do not like that. I liked it. Most people like it much less when Stefan tries to be more precise. Honestly, the only problem with that wording is that it might make people wonder whether it is some sort of technical term, which it is not really, so it can potentially confuse people. Michael.