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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, 61325@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:49:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6vkbgot.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com>

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Where are the jokes about politics or race in Emacs documentation?

No. I am asking it in more general context. Trying to align my
understanding of acceptable and not acceptable jokes.

There is a lot of disagreement in the interpretation as we can see, so
it would be useful to arrive at a common ground. Ideally, adding the
official stance to FSF maintenance policies, to the already existing
section on humour.

> Anyway, people who find such jokes offensive, instead of taking them in
> good humor, are not a ``significant number of people''.  They are just
> very loud.

In my question, I specifically emphasized that I am talking about topics
sensitive for large groups of people - whole cultures.

> We never did agree to follow their rules.

I assume that GNU kind communication guidelines also apply to the
manuals. At least to some degree.

<https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html>:

    Please avoid statements about the presumed typical desires, capabilities
    or actions of some demographic group. They can offend people in that
    group, ...

    ...

    If other participants complain about the way you express your ideas,
    please make an effort to cater to them. You can find ways to express
    the same points while making others more comfortable. You are more
    likely to persuade others if you don't arouse ire about secondary
    things.

I think that the above two guidelines can be applied to some of the
discussed jokes.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-17 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-06 16:01 bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 16:20 ` dick
2023-02-12  6:11   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-06 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-06 16:38   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 16:42     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 16:51     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-06 17:04       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-18 13:59   ` Petteri Hintsanen
2023-02-19 10:43     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20  5:18     ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-06 17:23 ` Pankaj Jangid
2023-02-06 17:49   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-06 18:37     ` Pankaj Jangid
2023-02-06 18:45       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07  2:04 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 11:24   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 12:36     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 13:01       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 14:03         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 14:43           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-07 15:10             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 16:15               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-08  1:28                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 11:40                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-08 11:41                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 11:59                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-08 12:50                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-15 14:55                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16  1:29                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-17 12:25                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-18  4:19                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-18 11:14                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20  5:19                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-22 13:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-25  4:09                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08 12:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-12  6:38                 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-09  4:28           ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-07 19:45         ` Pankaj Jangid
2023-02-07 19:56           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-09  4:28         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-07 14:15       ` dick
2023-02-07 15:09         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 15:17           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-08  8:11             ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-08 12:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-08 12:59                 ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-07 15:41       ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09  4:28         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-09 16:44           ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-12  4:03             ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08  4:31   ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08  4:46     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-12  6:46       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-15 14:47       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16  1:27         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-17 12:38           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-17  5:22         ` Jean Louis
2023-02-19  4:50           ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19  5:04             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-22  4:33               ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-22  6:02                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-26  2:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08 13:06     ` dick
2023-02-08 15:35       ` Akib Azmain Turja via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 16:06         ` dick
2023-02-15 14:37     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-16  1:34       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-17 12:49         ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-02-19  4:50           ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19 10:36             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-19 11:01               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-19 11:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-20 11:50                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20 12:34                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-07 13:29                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-07 20:02                       ` No Wayman
2023-03-07 20:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-19 12:24               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-02-19 13:05                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-19 13:45                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-02-20 18:29                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-02-21  2:30                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-22  4:34                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-22  4:35                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-07 13:48                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-08  0:22                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-08 14:05                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-09  1:14                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-10  4:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-10  7:03                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-09  4:28                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-08  5:34                         ` Jean Louis
2023-03-08 14:13                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-09  1:21                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 14:50                             ` Jean Louis
2023-03-09  4:26                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-03-10 11:33                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10 11:34                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-10 12:06                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-10 12:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:41                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 15:01                               ` Jean Louis
2023-02-19 15:56                 ` Drew Adams
2023-02-20 12:00                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20 12:37                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-20 14:28                     ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-20 14:34                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-20 17:01                     ` Drew Adams
2023-02-20 11:55                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-27  3:26               ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19  5:07           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-18  4:19       ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-19 10:25         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-15 15:34     ` Stefan Kangas
2023-02-15 16:00       ` Robert Pluim
2023-02-18  4:19         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-17  5:24       ` Jean Louis
2023-02-19  4:50         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-08 13:42 ` Visuwesh
2023-02-12  6:56   ` Jean Louis
2023-02-12  6:32 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-14  4:51   ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-14 11:17     ` Jean Louis
2023-03-09  4:05 ` Sam James
2023-03-09 14:10   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-09 14:17     ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-09 16:57       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-09 17:06         ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-09 20:10       ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2023-03-10 10:53   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 15:05     ` Jean Louis
2023-09-06  6:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-06  7:10   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06  7:30     ` Stefan Kangas

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