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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: 65209@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#65209: 30.0.50; Unexpected behaviour of setq-local
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2023 07:53:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6p6dt0x.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c06d6df-dd6d-78c4-f4dd-44cac8d95d84@gmail.com> ("Gerd Möllmann"'s message of "Fri, 11 Aug 2023 06:56:01 +0200")

Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com> writes:

> That's right, but here's what the docs say about setq-local:
>
>  -- Macro: setq-local &rest pairs
>      PAIRS is a list of variable and value pairs.  This macro creates a
>      buffer-local binding in the current buffer for each of the
>      variables, and gives them a buffer-local value.  It is equivalent
>      to calling ‘make-local-variable’ followed by ‘setq’ for each of the
>      variables.
>
> In my first example, setq-local doesn't create a buffer-local
> binding. In the second example, it doesn't set a buffer-local value.
> So setq-local doesn't what the first sentence of the doc says it does.

I think it does - it's only that `let' restores the old value.
>
> The second sentence of the doc says something quite different than the
> first sentence because setq in the presence of a let-binding of course
> sets the value of the let-binding.

I don't think this is what is happening.  E.g.

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(progn
  (defvar my-var :default-value)
  (let ((my-var :let-value))
    (make-local-variable 'my-var)
    (setq my-var :buffer-local-new))
  (list my-var (local-variable-p 'my-var))) ;; (:buffer-local-new t)
#+end_src

`setq' sets the buffer local binding, not the global value the `let'
binding refers to.

> I mean, the let-binding which changes the behaviour of
> lisp-interaction-mode in my case could be anywhere.  It's kind of like
> a spooky action at a distance.

A different perspective on your recipe could also be: it changes the
value of a variable that controls evaluation of a buffer while
evaluating the contents of the buffer.  Probably not a good idea.

> Good luck debugging something like that.

The same can happen if you `setq' a global binding that happens to be
undone by a surrounding `let'.  Or that is `setq'd again by other code.

Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-11  5:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-10 13:50 bug#65209: 30.0.50; Unexpected behaviour of setq-local Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-10 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-11  0:17 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-11  4:56   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-11  5:53     ` Michael Heerdegen [this message]
2023-08-11  8:17       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-11 11:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-11 11:34           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-11 11:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13  4:16           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-13  5:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-11 14:58         ` Drew Adams
2023-08-13 16:43 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-13 19:51   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-14  3:24     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-14  4:05       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-18 23:24         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-20  4:43           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-20  6:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-22  3:09               ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-22 10:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23  3:47                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-23 11:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 12:51                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24  1:06                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24  5:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-26  2:09                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-26  6:02                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-26 14:25                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27  4:19                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24  3:31                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-08-24  5:35                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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