From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: <87h6oejct1.fsf@localhost> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <97224c4f-fad4-ae01-46c1-5755d97d9a92@gutov.dev> <87fs3ztq38.fsf@localhost> <87cyz3qwba.fsf@posteo.net> <8734zztmiz.fsf@localhost> <87sf7zqs3l.fsf@yahoo.com> <87il8vs6e7.fsf@localhost> <87jztbqrc9.fsf@yahoo.com> <877cpbs5a0.fsf@localhost> <87fs3zqqgj.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jkfs4o0.fsf@localhost> <87bkenqprn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v8curzxm.fsf@localhost> <87ledqp69i.fsf@yahoo.com> <87jztaryzk.fsf@localhost> <87a5u6p4n3.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jkerxgb.fsf@localhost> <875y4uozgl.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36299"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Philip Kaludercic , Dmitry Gutov , Stefan Kangas , Danny Freeman , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 01 14:30:50 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qc3IY-0009HH-0U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 14:30:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc3Hp-0004EW-0t; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 08:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc3Hn-0004EJ-B4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 08:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc3Hk-0008SW-Hz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 08:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65C52240103 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:29:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1693571398; bh=cXTpsNg7RUilEFvOOO3tWLRW9KaGlDDD4FhILNffDX4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=HJNijdHWlPmtk8VpeXSRy8kSz3KWMgljER7A4s2OCRwf49vqSBJAILshmP2Da03lW ly8ZouJWhEhQj5twNgUc5NcIQ0g2ZsKcrJ6znow9jfKHFz0P9w3he2j1PU9csi6G5s /l+lupGdg34s/iZAb25CRsM9utWsiMGU/ZV7GGgNaLy/lIRVcVDbyc/gAVxs/+ajUR SyzYTj3Oj3syIXLll07DUhQBMfIKpnUsGgyTT8PLiLRznMg6YPcd12+otRytqqobJi l9QMZH8I9XKAoAP7lsgvP0KjNppTHx8ituDVKmoZdlQ5At9mv+GAIdrCYwBXovghbK qUPFOZtcOzpwg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Rccmj0Qdpz9rxL; Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:29:56 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <875y4uozgl.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309768 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> This is not about etiquette. This is about personal feelings. Whether >> acceptable for you or not, it is something very real and affects human >> behaviour. > > We can't take everyone's misgivings at face value. There is nothing > wrong with requesting to be copied in to a thread; if someone hestiates > to do so, we can explain that there is nothing to fear. If he is still > hesitant thereafter, we won't be obliged to further accommodate him. It would be an improvement if this were articulated somewhere in list description. AFAIK, it is not. Though I do not agree that explaining that "there is nothing to fear" will remove the fear. It is not how things work in psychology. Not always, at least. In any case, explained or not, this kind of convention will (1) force people to expose their email in the thread; (2) create an extra obstacle to participate; (3) still gives no 100% guarantee that future discussion will be CCed. >> And what do you mean by "sign up for more trouble"? What I essentially >> asked for - "It would be nice if anyone can subscribe to an individual >> thread anonymously." I am not 100% sure why mailing list software does >> not have such feature, but the fact that web forges do have it is one of >> the objective reasons why they are viewed as more comfortable option. > > Introducing such a capability to the Emacs lists will compel us to bear > two different types of threads in mind, and that constitutes trouble. May you elaborate? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at