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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320291 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 12:33:55 +0000, Stefan Kangas said: Stefan> Enabling it by default could only be done after careful conside= ration. Stefan> I proposed enabling it back in 2020, and I still agree with wha= t Stefan Stefan> Monnier said back then: >> I think it would be most useful to enable it by default. >> But for that it needs to be polished enough that it's still bearable= for >> those users who don't like it (e.g. the guy with his 1MB .emacs file >> that has to use a `emacs -Q` when testing something, or when using >> Emacs on someone else's computer/account). 'emacs -Q' already annoys the crap out of me because of my missing customizations, so one more change would make no difference =F0=9F=98=BA Stefan> From my point of view, having it in core is already a step in t= he right Stefan> direction. For now, I'd recommend that people check out the st= ate it's Stefan> currently in on master, and report any issues they see. I can try it, although perhaps I am not the target market. Robert --=20