From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:05:47 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87fz72tk3o.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <001401c478de$908a92d0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <1091508072.20683.201576204@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4111491A.4090601@runestig.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1091671605 16657 80.91.224.253 (5 Aug 2004 02:06:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 05 04:06:38 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BsXeQ-0007VQ-00 for ; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 04:06:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BsXhv-0006vW-VV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BsXhp-0006v6-9f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:10:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1BsXho-0006ug-2e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:10:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BsXhn-0006uW-W8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:10:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsXdk-0003cK-RE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BsXdc-00037T-00; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:05:48 +0900 Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "04 Aug 2004 17:09:56 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:26186 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:26186 >>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Monnier writes: Stefan> PS: Another request: make sure the installer does not Stefan> require to agree to the GPL before installing. You can Stefan> put a blurb about "this is GPL'd isn't that grand", but Stefan> don't put one of those silly "you have to agree to the Stefan> licence before I can continue" thingies since the GPL is Stefan> irrelevant to the user's right to install and run the Stefan> software. If that's true, sections 11 and 12 of the GPL are irrelevant, too? I've never liked the "'running the program' and 'suing the copyright holders and distributors' are outside of the scope of this license [but if you do run the program, despite saying we weren't going to impose such conditions, we are anyway going to impose the condition that you not sue us]" wording in Section 0; it belongs in the Preamble. I hope a reasonable judge would rule that the clear intent is explanation of the basic scope of a copyright license, not to give up certain special rights of self-defense that the copyright entails. However, intentionally omitting this chance to get the user's agreement just props that door wide open again. I suspect that there may be legal obligations (eg, the contract with ETL, and maybe even the assignments) on the part of the FSF to avoid this. IANAL, but I hope somebody asks a real one before omitting it. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.