From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs Installer for MS Windows
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:05:47 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fz72tk3o.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvzn5asjhk.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "04 Aug 2004 17:09:56 -0400")
>>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
Stefan> PS: Another request: make sure the installer does not
Stefan> require to agree to the GPL before installing. You can
Stefan> put a blurb about "this is GPL'd isn't that grand", but
Stefan> don't put one of those silly "you have to agree to the
Stefan> licence before I can continue" thingies since the GPL is
Stefan> irrelevant to the user's right to install and run the
Stefan> software.
If that's true, sections 11 and 12 of the GPL are irrelevant, too?
I've never liked the "'running the program' and 'suing the copyright
holders and distributors' are outside of the scope of this license
[but if you do run the program, despite saying we weren't going to
impose such conditions, we are anyway going to impose the condition
that you not sue us]" wording in Section 0; it belongs in the
Preamble. I hope a reasonable judge would rule that the clear intent
is explanation of the basic scope of a copyright license, not to give
up certain special rights of self-defense that the copyright entails.
However, intentionally omitting this chance to get the user's
agreement just props that door wide open again.
I suspect that there may be legal obligations (eg, the contract with
ETL, and maybe even the assignments) on the part of the FSF to avoid
this.
IANAL, but I hope somebody asks a real one before omitting it.
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Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-08-02 22:17 Emacs Installer for MS Windows Lennart Borgman
2004-08-03 4:41 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-04 20:37 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-04 20:55 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-05 6:51 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-05 6:55 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-05 7:26 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-05 8:18 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-05 14:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-06 4:17 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-06 13:43 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-06 13:56 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-06 17:07 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-27 21:26 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-06 15:39 ` Frank Schmitt
2004-08-07 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-23 19:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-23 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-24 18:13 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-24 18:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-24 19:31 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-24 19:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-25 0:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 2:51 ` Stefan
2004-08-26 18:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 18:35 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-26 21:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-26 21:41 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 4:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 7:09 ` Peter 'Luna' Runestig
2004-08-25 16:01 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-26 15:17 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 16:09 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 16:21 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-26 16:29 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2004-08-26 16:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 17:40 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 18:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-27 6:52 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2004-08-26 18:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 19:41 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-26 22:17 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 9:22 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-27 13:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-27 13:38 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-27 15:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 15:24 ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2004-08-27 15:42 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-28 1:36 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-27 15:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 15:47 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-28 1:36 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-27 15:44 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-27 16:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 15:51 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-08-26 16:52 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-26 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-26 19:49 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-23 19:59 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-24 5:37 ` Dhruva Krishnamurthy
2004-08-24 16:33 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-08-24 21:02 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-24 21:09 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 4:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 16:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-05 11:18 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2004-08-05 15:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-04 21:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-04 22:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-05 2:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2004-08-05 2:40 ` David Kastrup
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-04 21:42 Robert Anderson
2004-08-24 7:04 Berndl, Klaus
2004-08-24 17:35 ` Steven Tamm
2004-08-24 18:08 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-24 21:20 ` Steven Tamm
2004-08-24 21:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-08-25 1:02 ` Steven Tamm
2004-08-25 2:38 ` Stefan
2004-08-25 4:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-08-25 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-24 21:55 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-08-25 0:24 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 4:41 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-25 7:56 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-25 22:40 ` Richard Stallman
2004-08-25 23:03 ` David Kastrup
2004-08-26 7:04 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-08-26 7:56 ` David Kastrup
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