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From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
To: Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de>
Cc: Hacksaw <hacksaw@hacksaw.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A wish, a plea
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:36:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2fy4latun.fsf@kenny.sha-bang.de> (Sascha Wilde's message of "Thu\, 21 Jun 2007 23\:19\:28 +0200")

Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de> writes:
> I'm actually using *scratch* quite often, as a scratch pad for stuff I
> don't want to save (and don't want to be asked, if I want to save them
> on exit), as well as for ad-hoc elisp stuff.

Unlike most users, you know how to change any default anyway.

> I like the feature of having *scratch* at hand from the beginning in
> every emacs session, and I would miss it...

We don't need to get rid of the *scratch* buffer.  (I wasn't actually
suggesting that, although I guess I wouldn't object to it either.)

We could retain it, but make one of these changes as well:

   a) the initial selected buffer be a Fundamental Mode or Text Mode
      buffer ("scratch", "notes", whatever), with buffer-offer-save
      turned on by default.

       -or-

   b) if we just want to retain *scratch* as-is, that we at least
      default to buffer-offer-save in that buffer, in stock Emacs.

Do you object to both (a) and (b)?

I prefer (a), my reasoning being that *scratch* is only useful to
people who know a bit of Elisp, and those people can easily figure out
how to change any default we set anyway.

We can keep the *scratch* buffer, if we must, but are you really
saying that it should also be the default selected buffer, and it
should not offer to save on exit by default?

I mean, step back for a moment: we have here a text editor that when
you open it, gives you a scratch space that's not really set up for
editing text, and that won't offer to save when you exit.

How can that be the best thing for most users? :-)

-Karl

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-22  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-21  3:49 A wish, a plea Hacksaw
2007-06-21 18:50 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:57   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-21 19:12     ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22  3:59   ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 19:07     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 19:17     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 21:53       ` Frank Schmitt
2007-06-22  0:36       ` Taylor Venable
2007-06-21 19:43     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  3:57 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 20:56   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22  6:27     ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 21:36       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 16:24       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:27         ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 21:53           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 21:19   ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 21:26     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  6:36     ` Karl Fogel [this message]
2007-06-21 22:08       ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-21 23:04         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  6:51           ` csant
2007-06-22 16:24           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:12             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 21:53               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 20:47               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:05                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 21:30                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 21:30                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  8:03         ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22  8:11           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  8:21             ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22  8:33             ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 12:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 12:43                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:51                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 13:08                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 13:16                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 18:46                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 19:50                   ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 19:58                     ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 20:22                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 10:23             ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 11:43               ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 14:19                 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 20:09                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 23:07                     ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 21:53               ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 22:11                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-23 13:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:57                     ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 22:46                 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-23  6:42                   ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-23 10:43                     ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 18:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:05                       ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 13:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 13:34                           ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-25 13:38                             ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 18:51             ` A wish, a plea Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 20:05               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 13:19                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:45                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 19:39                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-24 14:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 19:02             ` Ryan Yeske
2007-06-28  1:04             ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 16:36           ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 21:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23  6:21               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 18:27                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 18:58                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-06-23 19:07                   ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 14:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:47                   ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 15:13                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-24 17:18                       ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 23:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25  8:07                           ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 23:18       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-22  7:57       ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22  8:01         ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22  8:16         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  8:32           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  9:06             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  9:20               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22  9:55                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22  8:01 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22  8:15   ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22  8:19   ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-22 11:58     ` David House
2007-06-22  8:20   ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 13:19     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 13:33       ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 14:23       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 14:34         ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 15:10           ` David House
2007-06-22 15:31         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-23 23:48       ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-24  0:06         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24  0:15           ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24  1:17             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 10:15               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:05                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:22                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:28                     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 20:47         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:28           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22  8:41   ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 11:54     ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 12:33       ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22  9:03   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 14:02   ` Denis Bueno

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