From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pascal Bourguignon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:42:57 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87fy3cahn2.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <877ioqdoq9.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> <87hcnuc6hz.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> <85hcnta30d.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185360143 19886 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2007 10:42:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:42:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 25 12:42:22 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDeJv-000701-Tv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:42:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDeJv-0003U0-Gb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:42:19 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 44 Original-X-Trace: individual.net ioYEXoN3t3Ekngw+WmmqSAB6LjXqDp3I2j557NVFbiynR/iFo9 Cancel-Lock: sha1:KTahrzRY5Pch/dPoVAitQdvLLsA= sha1:ku8+kJ+uh7bLSdDiFHa9xDNYT1U= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150455 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46031 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Pascal Bourguignon writes: > >> Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >>> [...] >>> That is a possibility but obviously there are much more Japanese or >>> French people who use their software now than then. >> >> Yes, applications. >> >> >>> What good is a software package if it can't be used by >>> linguistically challenged people ? >> >> Linguistically challenged people just cannot program. > > Interestingly, pretty much the only people I know without computing, > mathematics or science backgrounds that developed admirable mastery > with Emacs or TeX were proficient in the classics. > > And if you have read classical Greek, with its 3 modes, 7 tenses, 3 > numeri, 3 voices, and its complex grammatical structure that has no > problems spreading some unsuspecting sentence across several pages, a > sentence which, not entirely unlike a delicate spring, to a river of > sense swilling and into a sea expelling itself, from a slow start to a > furious - Odysseus in his ire would have been no less intimidating - > end continously waxing will finally, after a long, but yet not to be > compared to those of the masters who can express sentiments like "you > two should then have started to be a little ashamed of yourself" in a > single word by choosing all the grammatical details appropriately, > climax come to an end which, had you not been carefully nesting and > unnesting the twines of the silkily woven threads of language not > unlike a stack of bee hives or perhaps the playcards of a master, > might have been unexpected or at least no longer fathomable. Yep. That said, it's still advised to keep your functions within one screen. That is, 80x25, which you've done, so no problem. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ Nobody can fix the economy. Nobody can be trusted with their finger on the button. Nobody's perfect. VOTE FOR NOBODY.