From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:07:26 -0400 Message-ID: <87fy1k9dup.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87d4wodiof.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189606268 20635 80.91.229.12 (12 Sep 2007 14:11:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 12 16:11:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IVSub-0007Lx-RZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:09:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVSub-0000mg-N8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVSuQ-0000iA-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVSuP-0000hj-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVSuP-0000hc-98 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:37 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVSuM-0007uh-7F; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:34 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53EFF4E379; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78677 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> On modern computers, Emacs starts up so quickly and uses such an >> insignificant amount of memory that there is basically much no >> difference between starting a new Emacs and returning to a >> pre-existing Emacs session. > > There will always be a difference, no matter how fast and memory-rich > our computers will be, as long as ending a session makes certain > things go away, like history variables, buffers that don't visit > files, etc. Obviously there's a tradeoff. For instance, for my usage patterns, the advantages you mention are offset by the fact that: (1) Finding the old Emacs window, selecting it, and opening the file there interrupts my train of thought. On a cluttered desktop, this can take about a second or more. (I don't use emacsclient for various other reasons.) (2) I sometimes find accumulated Emacs session variables annoying rather than useful, e.g. a buffer list containing files from two completely unrelated projects I am concurrently working on. (3) Since Emacs is single-threaded, checking mail in Emacs interrupts all other work taking place in that instance of Emacs, so I must have more than one Emacs open anyway. (4) My current Emacs session tends to become buggy if I am in the process of hacking Emacs, and I don't want those bugs to affect other tasks I do with Emacs.