From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How big is the "niche" of Emacs users? Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:00:40 +0100 Message-ID: <87fy062jhz.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87bqawo1pa.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87zlyfue4o.fsf@debby.local.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1192870951 21866 80.91.229.12 (20 Oct 2007 09:02:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:02:31 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 20 11:02:31 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IjAE3-0004gH-82 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:02:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjADv-0006Eq-KH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:02:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjACP-0005LO-L2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:00:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjACN-0005Im-B1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:00:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjACM-0005IU-SQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:00:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.191]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IjACM-0005L0-4a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 05:00:46 -0400 Original-Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so905290muf for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:00:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:sender; bh=OTojDlBbjZNvYakccBwRGBG3nUdrZY6o2yaK5D78Tek=; b=Ko8BvpSpPsts4KYwokmHCjmIGuWgtQrFTZcXgoz3feTgQD1Mqsk/WLQ5XYYM3Kfi+IkRRu9flFwZkgV0iN7IqeM+iyLM/qPWf1gx5mCUHqRYy6Hb6erPbnc3BUwcaSjaozlDdYgtcQiNOoi3h6lcYWbjXOh1JGMMYYPQhBR1TMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:sender; b=Elz/QbhvkeQI4s21HxX9aKlM9xuaY95Xqwszb59c8SIyC62WqeTkWuPLDw/KwyPpyUK1CokRNmOYdoqLG7jS7a1BbUgWuJvV/6iOxrhqZmrSSFN8/NdLohGFyfnDKZwO9VPYzh8Te9jBneX8IldIUnczcius5Ma7HfgesxkGzN8= Original-Received: by 10.86.60.7 with SMTP id i7mr2080875fga.1192870841699; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bzg.ath.cx ( [88.138.195.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a37sm5584386fkc.2007.10.20.02.00.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by bzg.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86337158AB3; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:00:40 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <87zlyfue4o.fsf@debby.local.net> (Dieter Wilhelm's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:56:55 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/23.0.0 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:48612 Archived-At: Dieter Wilhelm writes: > I think http://popcon.debian.org/ can be a good quantitative source, > if you know how to supply your queries (unfortunately I don't). Yes, thanks. I made a rough gathering of data from the popcon data: http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_inst Quoting the webpage: "This package sends every week the list of packages installed and the access time of relevant files to the server via email. Every day the server anonymizes the result and publishes this survey. For more information, read the README and the FAQ." So I gathers information on Emacs and Vim and turned it into a table. Of course this in inaccurate in many ways: 0. this is only for the last week 1. this is only debian-based 2. there is no "vi" package 4. it's not dependency-aware 3. the list of chosen packages is *very* inconsistent But still interesting IMHO. name inst vote old recent no-files -------------------+--------+-------+-------+--------+---------- emacspeak-ss 55 0 0 0 55 emacspeak 103 14 70 19 0 emacs-jabber 120 0 0 1 119 qemacs 209 51 142 16 0 emacs-chess 256 0 0 0 256 emacs-wiki 310 0 0 0 310 emacs-lisp-intro 382 0 0 0 382 emacs21-non-dfsg 491 0 0 0 491 emacs22-non-dfsg 502 0 0 0 502 emacs-goodies-el 4492 1 18 2 4471 xemacs21-packages 5235 0 0 0 5235 xemacs21 10618 4055 5542 754 267 emacs22 11573 4711 1469 761 4632 emacsen-common 12782 3247 2980 581 5974 emacs21 29628 15534 10609 2022 1463 -------------------+--------+-------+-------+--------+---------- SUM (Emacs) 76756 27613 20830 4156 24157 -------------------+--------+-------+-------+--------+---------- vim 178257 51439 77299 43706 5813 vimacs 86 0 0 0 86 jvim 105 26 43 6 30 vim-syntax-gtk 139 0 0 0 139 vimhelp-fr 182 0 0 0 182 vimoutliner 385 64 281 40 0 vim-addon-manager 765 109 120 536 0 vim-latexsuite 952 0 0 0 952 vim-scripts 2715 181 919 144 1471 -------------------+--------+-------+-------+--------+---------- SUM (Vim) 183586 51819 78662 44432 8673 And now this is interesting: - vote / inst ratio: Emacs: 0.36 | Vim: 0.28 - old / inst ratio : Emacs: 0.27 | Vim: 0.43 ... suggesting (to me) that, when installed, Emacs is maybe more likely to be used than vim. Again, this doesn't take Vi into accound, which is a huge bias. >From popcon ~~~~~~~~~~~ is the source package name; The fields below are the sum for all the binary packages generated by that source package: is the number of people who installed this package; is the number of people who use this package regularly; is the number of people who installed, but don't use this package regularly; is the number of people who upgraded this package recently; is the number of people whose entry didn't contain enough information (atime and ctime were 0). -- Bastien