From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: snippet.el Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:10:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87fxzx4m5d.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193433070 13308 80.91.229.12 (26 Oct 2007 21:11:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:11:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 26 23:11:11 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IlWSV-0003Pl-08 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:11:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IlWSM-0003FX-BM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IlWSJ-0003E6-Di for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IlWSH-0003Aq-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IlWSH-0003Al-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IlWSH-0005K6-A2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E622A3C769 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:56 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: BDTaJpkgrdmdNfNkCEp8/szCAuRG8Fn+uvFKME3xyVFc 1193433056 Original-Received: from baldur.tsdh.de (dslb-084-063-001-209.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.63.1.209]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4352750 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwEAIAAACI8LKTAAAACXBIWXMAAAsSAAALEgHS3X78 AAAATnRFWHRSYXcgcHJvZmlsZSB0eXBlIGV4aWYACmV4aWYKICAgICAgMjAKNDU3ODY5NjYwMDAw NGQ0ZDAwMmEwMDAwMDAwODAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMAqJuBZbAAAACXZwQWcAAAAwAAAAMADO7oxXAAAB d0lEQVRo3u2asRHCMAxF/xbswSIZhgmYgoKa0ehpoKagoUlOsqwvKUrjIrnL6V6+v2TJ+Nzep9cS tV6fl8f5vrbGxvZbEQvl/8k2shaAtvWyBi4WE7KhkeM7AKXAhIpoDkCJMAUAkmerdoC0aDLUSqiS 2psCsvvUbgHN1d2u6qC1t00BjW2oRlmsejWE2BN8fh2lKBTlPsXHhFh7zt9gA1873l5WAJBf0Hzb RhU0UZgOQCxA/ATMwYRa2ikJKOoQwKm2UVE7TB01AjQWGypurgKAsg2ID0CL5RCbCJB3ccjvQCZV kPxrjTxIC8XSq3QEJJe3n5qYzVl4zCckAY2FO6t1Ow2QdkA8t3SU/AbvpIExYVu2gMWJJNf3JG5l AqS9d2H3Ju1mtEOUYwJ/UGOpfeTOMsuPMJbItTi011y0yCQQx/QI5iw051RWDYgZyqxLMAGAMgSd YaKPWGHnhGIqFDtAce8ozirzY9v1pLlY9Qk96XZH3e9/ASFbB95TvQYIAAAAGnpUWHRqcGVnOmNv bG9yc3BhY2UAAHjaMwIAADMAM4k4IzUAAAAmelRYdGpwZWc6c2FtcGxpbmctZmFjdG9yAAB42jOq MNIxrDAEYQARgwLpPZcvTwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:38:27 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81798 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> I'm interested in hearing what people think of snippet.el >>> and how it compares, for convenience, with skeleton.el and tempo.el. >>> Should we install snippet.el? >>> If we install snippet.el, are the other two still useful? >>> Can we mark one or both obsolete? > >> Could msf-abbrev.el, "mode specific abbreviations" please also be >> included in this discussion? I havent used snippet.el, but Ive used the >> other ones, and of these msf-abbrev is the most convenient. > > There's a whole bunch of alternatives indeed. I remember looking at Tempo > and Skeleton and thinking it'd be good to unify them. > Both are used by other Elisp packages so we can't just drop them without > providing backward compatibility. I like the syntax and simplicity of snippet.el. I've read a message of the snipped author on emacs-sources to make snippet and tempo compatible somehow. But those message is about two years old and I don't know what happened since then. And msf-abbrev.el is quite nice, too. But there are two versions out there and when I tried to use it the abbrevs for message-mode didn't work, so I dropped it. So before installing any of those packages, I'd check if anybody really feels responsible for them and is willing to fix bugs and things. Bye, Tassilo