From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: reader@newsguy.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: jump between if-fi Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:39:41 -0600 Organization: Still searching... Message-ID: <87fxxhd076.fsf@newsguy.com> References: <87y7bbpz12.fsf@newsguy.com> <20071231162438.GA1211@muc.de> <87wsqujn1z.fsf@newsguy.com> <20080101141827.GA3830@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199202036 18819 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2008 15:40:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:40:36 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 01 16:40:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9jEY-0006b4-Ii for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:40:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9jEC-00025p-Qc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:40:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9jDw-00023E-Q6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:40:12 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9jDw-00022R-6B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:40:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9jDv-00022I-SB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:40:11 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9jDv-00078f-Ll for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:40:11 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J9jDk-0001zl-Fh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:40:00 +0000 Original-Received: from adsl-75-3-178-22.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net ([75.3.178.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:40:00 +0000 Original-Received: from reader by adsl-75-3-178-22.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:40:00 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-75-3-178-22.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QbpNXgyU9VUOw/xFZvuG1qwuidw= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50412 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: [...] >> Yes that would be very nice but is also very unlikely. My skill level >> would have to be improved several hundred percentage points in a pretty >> short while. > > Indeed. Where's the problem with that? The Emacs documentation > (including that for Emac Lisp) is sensationally good, and there's as much > help as you need on the net. For functionality this useful, I'd happily > help you by personal email, even several times a week. time And as you noted.. elisp isn't well suited for scripting so I'm working on perl. [...] >> I guess not too many emacs developers really do much shell scripting. >> Probably using a lot more high level scripting languages (perl, lisp, >> python and etc). I run into portability problems more with shell >> scripts since something like perl is the same everywhere. > > I would think most Emacsers write shell scripts reasonably fluently. > Lisp isn't really suited for the job, and p{erl,ython} seem over > complicated. In my humble opinion, of course. ;-) I'm sure they are fluent. Way more than I am. What I said was I doubt they use shell languages as much as someone who isn't fluent in perl or python. What I was getting at is there may not be much of a perceived need for things that aid shell scripting. All the higher level stuff uses parens rather than if-fi. I do agree though that hacking out something to make emacs able to recognize shell constructs like it does with parens would be a great learning tool and of some value to the emacs community. God knows I owe the community a huge debt for all the help over the years. I may have to dig into it this new year.