From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: <87fxp2xlrb.fsf@gmail.com> References: <10697146.3630221218551689983.JavaMail.www@wwinf4615> <20080812171404.GB7999@muc.de> <20080813092057.GA3010@muc.de> <20080814083817.GA2593@muc.de> <877iak7xfp.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <873al79akr.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <87d4k6qm9g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219085296 21766 80.91.229.12 (18 Aug 2008 18:48:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, rms@gnu.org, hannes@saeurebad.de, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, acm@muc.de To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 18 20:49:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KV9mq-0005q8-CN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:49:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48736 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KV9lt-0006Zr-7a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:48:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KV8kr-0007tw-P7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:42:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KV8kp-0007ti-Fc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:42:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41837 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KV8kp-0007tf-9b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:42:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]:56668) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KV8ko-0002VT-H8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:42:54 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1548792fgb.30 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:42:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:references:from :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=d92zsaDpJGNI6oc8X7MfJbtyXP55wmneO8WUFmDsvvo=; b=agGa0zgZNMc3vmFXt+TDkO/t3W5UPiXCVg/Kvy/GhgPUY8XviYkTHwfkHK5Eb3vhfg bPl16XBhIvsHbGgz6xnsXSs+Wi87cq6nCwCEix9gAmtPN3PwKkmC6alr4Up1QaYdSsyP oRNm/QKM+vbMaIWGyCFKzIMefpbPfxeUct6Gw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=ZUdKguf8AGsiom0W6srcwFxt7hIYOn7AkAESso6uSWhtu9QIUMFJn8WL4t2XZxHk00 hYDeTD6XHFTzxaRAPiH3vwCn2+mq6gjfNslkZjJl/UrHNX85W8WLutgR7bCGPMZdLlzK vj4qAZY2gXOuZWj+RSzdZgSE1xaaeEkjrAC08= Original-Received: by 10.86.29.8 with SMTP id c8mr1789736fgc.30.1219081371911; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 ( [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm3624313fgb.6.2008.08.18.10.42.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:42:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d4k6qm9g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Tue\, 19 Aug 2008 02\:13\:47 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:47:51 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102603 Archived-At: Hi ! On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:13:47 +0900, "Stephen J. Turnbull" said: SJT> I really don't get this. You are basically taking the open source SJT> route here. "People don't like to be free, so let's not tell them SJT> about freedom -- let's make it relatively inconvenient to use SJT> proprietary code." Why not wait for the non-free modules, and SJT> then publish a boycott list of such modules, give them a public SJT> dressing- down, and in that way draw attention to the issue of SJT> freedom? Stephen is right. We should never respond to a "*possible* lack of freedom for some hypotetical consenting users" with a solution that implies an *evident* lack of (technical) freedom for all Emacs fellow users. Really, here the cure harms more than the disease. -- Paul