From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs, oldsters, newbiness Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:32:29 +0100 Message-ID: <87fxm4uh2q.fsf@gmail.com> References: <251d6b72-b760-411b-8c35-83a7788e2491@u75g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <7343b66f-7262-466c-8975-9774dce22d88@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <7bddb878-9f4c-4140-827c-83cd29c96e5f@l77g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <372adbcc-d97b-453c-8ddc-3a7f1abb0b23@l62g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <87tzb26y7p.fsf@gmail.com> <87hc6z6nmp.fsf@gmail.com> <200810302325.m9UNP7JI012589@zogzog.maillard.mobi> <86abcfrydf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87iqr1qnni.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87abccjvvn.fsf@blackbart.sedgenet> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226043203 464 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 07:33:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: tyler Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 08:34:24 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyLrG-000411-Ce for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:34:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51608 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyLq8-0002ht-Fe for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:33:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyLpn-0002eu-0m for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:32:47 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyLpk-0002aE-50 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:32:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49175 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyLpj-0002Zv-UT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:32:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:5390) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyLpj-0001cC-1O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:32:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyLpb-00013K-Aj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:32:35 -0500 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so899350fgb.30 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:32:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=PSreRiU7fAZ2518vT89Y3Zm2qFkjGP4KNEhSrvqI6Vg=; b=b5jBwKEGkYQTv0GmNJ2RuDpd+Vxqk+ftqligAIF3lRQeGbJlTbr1Dy4GVcQCHxBpSd SmwnLPzQQa6q7nl4Xlz/xQtUJnTlnr7hqU2CaLFuZrC1enzPShLktNqSUbkQVW4sVHvR fhG9VAyOj28gVY3lDUOObPWZxlvLgS/UCErdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=IbF/QNqKxN/zExjzGJZ8w0bv0YHGJTrAJmQi05lBM9rVFK04RpOHYq3US1ELxTo56l FE80w7cpfnWp8t5OUeQxfoLCqqJQE/Jtp7LbVCl/llUC//fogZ6YGGVbpeFdC4s/EOnh b5K585XxngPIrCgCkPe9oS5zmkms+SxrR3YFA= Original-Received: by 10.86.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr3648961fgw.0.1226043151816; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:32:31 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (pdc35-1-82-242-132-111.fbx.proxad.net [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm3747442fga.5.2008.11.06.23.32.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:32:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87abccjvvn.fsf@blackbart.sedgenet> (tyler's message of "Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:08:12 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59546 Archived-At: tyler> This being the case, what's to stop anyone from lifting content tyler> for inclusion in other documents with compatible licenses? As far as emacs code is concerned, the FSF wants the code to be under a free licence, but it also wants to hold the copyright. Why ? Because the FSF makes new licences on a constant basis, ans only the copyright owner is allowed to change the licence. tyler> If such activity actually requires individual contributors tyler> actively assigning copyright, then the footer is wrong and needs tyler> to be corrected. No, the footer is right, GPLV2 is all about distribution permissions, not about copyright holding, which is the real problem I suspect. But I'm not sure, anybody to confirm that the FSF applies the same policy for documentation ? -- Paul