Message goto signature

Message goto signature

[Francis Moreau]

Hello,

I'm wondering if that possible to get message-goto-signature to move
_before_ the signature instead of after.

Thanks
-- 
Francis

Re: Message goto signature

[Nikolaj Schumacher]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote:  > I'm wondering if 
that possible to get message-goto-signature to move > _before_ the 
signature instead of after. 

Do you mean before the /separator/?  It should already move to the
beginning of the signature.

regards,
Nikolaj Schumacher

Broken quotations (was: Message goto signature)

[Teemu Likonen]

On 2009-03-05 18:18 (+0100), Nikolaj Schumacher wrote:

> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote:  > I'm wondering if that
> possible to get message-goto-signature to move > _before_ the signature
> instead of after. 
>
> Do you mean before the /separator/?  It should already move to the
> beginning of the signature.

In case you are not seeing this with your own email/news client I'd like
to point out that your quotations look like this:


Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote:  > I'm wondering if that
possible to get message-goto-signature to move > _before_ the signature
instead of after.


Example message in Gmane archive:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/62618/focus=62627

Re: Message goto signature

[Francis Moreau]

Nikolaj Schumacher <me@nschum.de> writes:

> Do you mean before the /separator/?  It should already move to the
> beginning of the signature.

Yes I mean before the separator.

I usually want to move to the bottom of the email body when replying,
so I would find more convenient if the cursor is moved before the
separator.

Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
and the signature is usefull...

Thanks
-- 
Francis

Re: Message goto signature

[Richard Riley]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

> Nikolaj Schumacher <me@nschum.de> writes:
>
>> Do you mean before the /separator/?  It should already move to the
>> beginning of the signature.
>
> Yes I mean before the separator.
>
> I usually want to move to the bottom of the email body when replying,
> so I would find more convenient if the cursor is moved before the
> separator.
>
> Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
> and the signature is usefull...
>
> Thanks

Just as some bg info, I believe the cursor is put at the start to
encourage you to snip replies.

I think this code that follows is bad style in so many ways, but
something like this. I guess you would use a backward search for sig
separator function instead but this works for now:

(defadvice message-goto-signature (after message-goto-signature
activate)(progn (previous-line)(previous-line)))

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Re: Message goto signature

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Mar 05 2009, Richard Riley wrote:

> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>> Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
>> and the signature is usefull...

To edit the signature?

`message-goto-signature' is used in several other functions.

> Just as some bg info, I believe the cursor is put at the start to
> encourage you to snip replies.

Correct.

> I think this code that follows is bad style in so many ways, but
> something like this. I guess you would use a backward search for sig
> separator function instead but this works for now:
>
> (defadvice message-goto-signature (after message-goto-signature
> activate)(progn (previous-line)(previous-line)))

I'm quite sure this would break several Gnus functions.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Message goto signature

[Richard Riley]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Thu, Mar 05 2009, Richard Riley wrote:
>
>> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
>>> and the signature is usefull...
>
> To edit the signature?
>
> `message-goto-signature' is used in several other functions.
>
>> Just as some bg info, I believe the cursor is put at the start to
>> encourage you to snip replies.
>
> Correct.
>
>> I think this code that follows is bad style in so many ways, but
>> something like this. I guess you would use a backward search for sig
>> separator function instead but this works for now:
>>
>> (defadvice message-goto-signature (after message-goto-signature
>> activate)(progn (previous-line)(previous-line)))
>
> I'm quite sure this would break several Gnus functions.
>
> Bye, Reiner.

Thank god I heavily caveated it then :-;


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 important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday.  ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations:  Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970

Re: Message goto signature

[Francis Moreau]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Just as some bg info, I believe the cursor is put at the start to
> encourage you to snip replies.

Perhaps, but when I don't need to snip replies and want to got to the
bottom article then goto signature doesn't do the right thing.
-- 
Francis

Re: Message goto signature

[Francis Moreau]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Thu, Mar 05 2009, Richard Riley wrote:
>
>> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
>>> and the signature is usefull...
>
> To edit the signature?
>

Hmm do you usually edit your signature ?

I don't and never have the need. But the fact is I usually need to go
to the bottom of the body.

thanks
-- 
Francis

Re: Message goto signature

[Richard Riley]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 05 2009, Richard Riley wrote:
>>
>>> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
>>>> and the signature is usefull...
>>
>> To edit the signature?
>>
>
> Hmm do you usually edit your signature ?
>
> I don't and never have the need. But the fact is I usually need to go
> to the bottom of the body.
>
> thanks

This works for followup:

(defadvice gnus-summary-followup (after followup-sig
activate)(progn (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line)))

And this for reply:

(defadvice gnus-summary-reply-with-original (after reply-sig
activate)(progn (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line)))

I dont know if there is a better way than previous-line.

I am assuming its cleaner to do it at this level then
message-goto-signature

-- 
 important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday.  ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations:  Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970

Re: Message goto signature

[Francis Moreau]

On Mar 6, 12:03 am, Richard Riley <rileyrg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> writes:
> > Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gm...@imap.cc> writes:
>
> >> On Thu, Mar 05 2009, Richard Riley wrote:
>
> >>> Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>> Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
> >>>> and the signature is usefull...
>
> >> To edit the signature?
>
> > Hmm do you usually edit your signature ?
>
> > I don't and never have the need. But the fact is I usually need to go
> > to the bottom of the body.
>
> > thanks
>
> This works for followup:
>
> (defadvice gnus-summary-followup (after followup-sig
> activate)(progn (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line)))
>
> And this for reply:
>
> (defadvice gnus-summary-reply-with-original (after reply-sig
> activate)(progn (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line)))
>
> I dont know if there is a better way than previous-line.
>
> I am assuming its cleaner to do it at this level then
> message-goto-signature
>

Thanks for this.

But the point of my initial question was about the default behaviour
of goto-signature.
I don't see the point why it puts the cursor where it does so I was
asking in case I
miss something.

thanks

Re: Message goto signature

[Nikolaj Schumacher]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> wrote:  > This works for 
followup: > > (defadvice gnus-summary-followup (after followup-sig 
> activate)(progn 
(message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line))) > > And 
this for reply: > > (defadvice gnus-summary-reply-with-original 
(after reply-sig > activate)(progn 
(message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line))) > > I 
dont know if there is a better way than previous-line.

previous-line should be fine in this case, but the advice is 
unneccessary (and always potentially dangerous).

The cleanest way is to just define a new command:

(defun message-goto-before-signature () "Move point before the 
  beginning of the message signature separator."  (interactive) 
  (message-goto-signature) (forward-line -1))


regards,
Nikolaj Schumacher

Re: Broken quotations

[Nikolaj Schumacher]

Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> wrote:

> In case you are not seeing this with your own email/news client I'd like
> to point out that your quotations look like this:
>
> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote:  > I'm wondering if that
> possible to get message-goto-signature to move > _before_ the signature
> instead of after.

Thanks.
Must have been caused by use-hard-newlines.


regards,
Nikolaj Schumacher

Re: Message goto signature

[Richard Riley]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mar 6, 12:03 am, Richard Riley <rileyrg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gm...@imap.cc> writes:
>>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 05 2009, Richard Riley wrote:
>>
>> >>> Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >>>> Actually I don't see any use case where moving between the separator
>> >>>> and the signature is usefull...
>>
>> >> To edit the signature?
>>
>> > Hmm do you usually edit your signature ?
>>
>> > I don't and never have the need. But the fact is I usually need to go
>> > to the bottom of the body.
>>
>> > thanks
>>
>> This works for followup:
>>
>> (defadvice gnus-summary-followup (after followup-sig
>> activate)(progn (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line)))
>>
>> And this for reply:
>>
>> (defadvice gnus-summary-reply-with-original (after reply-sig
>> activate)(progn (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line)))
>>
>> I dont know if there is a better way than previous-line.
>>
>> I am assuming its cleaner to do it at this level then
>> message-goto-signature
>>
>
> Thanks for this.
>
> But the point of my initial question was about the default behaviour
> of goto-signature.
> I don't see the point why it puts the cursor where it does so I was
> asking in case I
> miss something.

Oh, I thought you were looking for a solution to put your cursor where
you wanted to type on reply/followup. In fact I'm certain it was :-;

,----
| I don't and never have the need. But the fact is I usually need to go
| to the bottom of the body.
`----

In that case I can help.

The function is called "goto-signature", not "goto-end-of.article" :-)

So it works as designed I think. And correctly.

>
> thanks

-- 
 important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday.  ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations:  Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970

Re: Message goto signature

[Richard Riley]

Nikolaj Schumacher <me@nschum.de> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> wrote:  > This works for
> followup: > > (defadvice gnus-summary-followup (after followup-sig 
>> activate)(progn 
> (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line))) > > And this
> for reply: > > (defadvice gnus-summary-reply-with-original (after
> reply-sig > activate)(progn
> (message-goto-signature)(previous-line)(previous-line))) > > I dont
> know if there is a better way than previous-line.
>
> previous-line should be fine in this case, but the advice is
> unneccessary (and always potentially dangerous).
>
> The cleanest way is to just define a new command:
>
> (defun message-goto-before-signature () "Move point before the
> beginning of the message signature separator."  (interactive)
> (message-goto-signature) (forward-line -1))
>
>
> regards,
> Nikolaj Schumacher
>
>

yes, but how to automatically call the function. Can you explain why the
advice is dangerous? It seems to be reasonable in this context.


-- 
 important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday.  ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations:  Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970

Re: Message goto signature

[Francis Moreau]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> writes:

>
> The function is called "goto-signature", not "goto-end-of.article" :-)
>

Yes but what the point to give 'goto-signature' if it's not usefull at
all. Why not giving 'goto-end-of-body' in the first place ?
-- 
Francis

Re: Message goto signature

[Richard Riley]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> The function is called "goto-signature", not "goto-end-of.article" :-)
>>
>
> Yes but what the point to give 'goto-signature' if it's not usefull at
> all. Why not giving 'goto-end-of-body' in the first place ?

I guess if we were to second guess every API in the world we'd be here
from now to eternity :-;

But one solution emailed to me kindly by Nikolas is:

,----
| (defun message-goto-end-of-article ()
|   (interactive)
|   (unless (re-search-forward message-signature-separator nil t)
|     (goto-char (point-max))))
| 
| (defun message-cite-before-point-original-without-signature ()
|   (message-cite-original-without-signature)
|   (message-goto-end-of-article))
| 
| (setq message-cite-function
|       'message-cite-before-point-original-without-signature)
`----

This searches for the regexp which define a .signature.

-- 
 important and urgent problems of the technology of today are no longer the satisfactions of the primary needs or of archetypal wishes, but the reparation of the evils and damages by the technology of yesterday.  ~Dennis Gabor, Innovations:  Scientific, Technological and Social, 1970

Re: Message goto signature

[Francis Moreau]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> writes:

> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> The function is called "goto-signature", not "goto-end-of.article" :-)
>>>
>>
>> Yes but what the point to give 'goto-signature' if it's not usefull at
>> all. Why not giving 'goto-end-of-body' in the first place ?
>
> I guess if we were to second guess every API in the world we'd be here
> from now to eternity :-;

yeah, but usually they make sense but in that case I was asking each
time I press C-c C-i when replying...

>
> But one solution emailed to me kindly by Nikolas is:
>

Thanks to both of you, I can just remap my "C-c C-i" binding.

-- 
Francis

Re: Message goto signature

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Mar 06 2009, Richard Riley wrote:

> Can you explain why the advice is dangerous? It seems to be
> reasonable in this context.

Because the advice modifies the behavior of `message-goto-signature'
is used in several other functions so these won't work as designed
anymore.

Bye, Reiner.
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