From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4118: 23.1; eval-last-sexp-print-value is inconvenient Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:33:46 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87fxbvp9e5.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <19073.20002.692770.552510@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <87ocqkfxa5.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <19075.27103.685992.984191@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> Reply-To: Juri Linkov , 4118@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1250208440 16626 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2009 00:07:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4118@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Eli Barzilay Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 14 02:07:13 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MbkK9-000448-9Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:07:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43630 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MbkK8-0001DP-Pe for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:07:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MbkJu-00018W-J4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:06:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MbkJp-000181-Me for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:06:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54487 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MbkJp-00017w-Io for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:06:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:43711) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MbkJo-0006K4-QJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:06:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7E06nYR009493; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:06:50 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n7DNo4DU006280; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:50:04 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Juri Linkov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:50:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4118 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 4118-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4118.12502071295697 (code B ref 4118); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:50:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4118) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Aug 2009 23:45:29 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mx1.starman.ee (smtp-out1.starman.ee [85.253.0.3]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7DNjQSZ005692 for <4118@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:45:28 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.55.163.cable.starman.ee [82.131.55.163]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E663F43A3; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:45:20 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: <19075.27103.685992.984191@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:18:23 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:06:58 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:30168 Archived-At: >> But it inserts other representations only when you type `C-x C-e' twice. >> Do you mean you don't want this after the second `C-x C-e' key press? > > Hmm, I see that the reason for what I've seen is that I'm using it > indirectly through my own function, and for some reason > `eval-expression-print-format' decides whether to do its thing based > on the current command. This looks like an odd interface... A better > and more consistent interface seems to me to always print the extra > information unless it goes into a buffer -- something like: > > (defun eval-expression-print-format (value) > ... > (if (and (integerp value) (not (bufferp standard-output))) > ...)) The reason not to print the extra information on the first invocation of `eval-last-sexp' is the following. Most often users want to see the integer result of the evaluated expression, but the extra information also contains a character representation of this integer that might print some unrelated character that might load some weird fonts the user doesn't want to load. > But you seem to suggest that there are practical uses to get that > extra stuff into the buffer? I don't see any occasion that would make > it desirable... When the current buffer contains an integer, typing `C-x C-e' twice inserts it to the same buffer as a character. However, this is not too convenient, so I'd like to improve this interface. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/