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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:116496 Archived-At: On Fri, Oct 30 2009, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> information that is much less important, like >> the percentage of the file before the window start > > I indeed never look at it, but I'm uneasy removing it: basically I find > it redundant when you have scrollbars, but in case you don't have > scrollbars (e.g. in a non-GUI terminal) it's not redundant (but I got > so used to using the scrollbars that it never occurs to me to look at > the modeline for that info. Actually, I do look at the mode-line when > I need to figure out "where am I" but then I look at the line number > rather than the percentage). > What do other people think about it? I am not a emacs developer, but as a long time user I would prefer to have the percentages instead of the scrollbar, if there were a choice (I know there is not). But I would much rather preserve the percentages. I also find the scrollbar somewhat confusing: When the end of buffer is visible in the window, I would expect the scrollbar to reach all the way to the bottom, but it does not. > I think the major-mode/minor mode display is important, but I agree that > it often takes up a lot of space to display unchanging info. It would > be good to come up with some way to make it more space efficient. > Maybe we could replace "(Mail Fly Abbrev Fill)" with "(Mail..FAF)" and > then expand the FAF to "Fly Abbrev Fill" in a tooltip. How would this work on a non-windowed environment? Could a mechanism be devised to show the minor modes on user request, say, in the minibuffer? manoj -- The major sin is the sin of being born. 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