From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:18:04 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87fwyvd8sz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280848713 9114 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2010 15:18:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:18:33 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 03 17:18:32 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJGB-0007DF-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:18:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34219 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgJG9-0003R3-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40504 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgJG0-0003OQ-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:18:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJFz-0002NF-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:18:20 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:38576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJFz-0002N3-7Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:18:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgJFw-00075S-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:18:16 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ee80e.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.232.14]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:18:16 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ee80e.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:18:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ee80e.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:yU4KpexvfqtTv0l0sDYOjCzS2C4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128196 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 13:56, Uday S Reddy wrote: >> >>> If people like Xah Lee or Lennart have to fork Emacs >>> in order to make it suitable to groups of users, then Emacs hasn't >>> lived up to its challenge. >> >> That's one possible interpretation. I don't think it is necessary to >> fork Emacs to make it appealing to Windows users, for example. >> Improvements can be made, of course. > > My intention has not been to fork (though you seemed to believe that, > Juanma). Instead I have made quite a lot of patches to show it is > working. Then I thought the changes would be adopted (since there are > quite a few users of my patched version, at least before). > > The problem is that it is very hard to get them accepted. Thousands of > users using them without trouble does not seem enough. They are mostly orthogonal to code acceptance issues. If people tell you what problems keep your code from being mergeable, there is little point in gathering street support rather than addressing the issues. > Another problem is that this kind of trouble has taken too much time. > (Not only my time.) If you'd rather not have other Emacs developers' time wasted, there are a few thread topics you could killfile, as your participance is not likely improving the balance. -- David Kastrup