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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The copyright issue
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:40:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fwyt3teb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL

Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk> writes:

> Stephen J. Turnbull writes:
>
>> BTW, you forgot David Reitter, who must fork because Aquamacs is
>> dedicated to implementing features that make his proprietary platform
>> (the Mac) more attractive for users than free platforms -- and such
>> features are not allowed as a matter of Emacs policy.
>
> I suppose this is a legal issue, and can't just be settled by
> newsgroup debates.
>
> But it seems that the FSF copyright policy has become a bugbear, which
> might not have been the original intention.

It is a popular misconception that Richard must be oblivious to the
consequences of what he is doing.  If you bother to check, you'll find
that not only has he been very consistent for the last 30 years, but
also the effects have been basically the intended and predicted ones.

There are consequences to the decisions and policies, and some people
don't like the consequences.  If people bothered to check them for
consistency with the stated goals, they'd find them likely not just
intentional but also effective.

> The current situation is highly asymmetric.  Anybody, including a
> private corporation, can use the FSF codebase to develop their
> variants, but Gnu Emacs can't use their enhancements to enrich itself.

That's a consequence of having Emacs be a piece of software
intentionally keeping the copyright limited to few parties.

If you want to keep the GPL on a work of yours strongly enforceable, it
is safest not to reap any of the benefits you grant downstream yourself.
There is not much case law to rely on otherwise.

> So, Gnu ends up lagging behind and, perhaps in cases like Aquamacs,
> not even being able to enter the territory.  It leads to more and more
> forking, making life hard for the package developers and becoming a
> disservice to the users.
>
> Can't we find a way out of this dilemma?

No.  While it has been popular to "debate" this "dilemma" for the past
30 years, nothing has changed regarding the origin and evaluation of the
underlying choices.

-- 
David Kastrup




  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-05 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-05  9:12 The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 12:15 ` The copyright issue Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 16:23 ` Randal L. Schwartz
2010-08-05 18:51   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-06  2:48     ` Miles Bader
2010-08-06 13:05       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-09 17:19       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-09 22:53         ` Miles Bader
2010-08-09 23:19           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-06 10:34     ` Adrian Robert
2010-08-05 16:40 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2010-08-06  8:12 ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Richard Stallman
2010-08-06  9:39   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 15:36     ` Fren Zeee
2010-08-06 16:45       ` Bug on calendar (was: The copyright issue) Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-07  3:57     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-07  4:04     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-06  8:37 ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-06 10:43   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-06 11:16     ` The copyright issue David Kastrup
2010-08-06 11:42       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-06 15:23         ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06 11:25     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Deniz Dogan
2010-08-06 12:01       ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-13 15:52         ` The copyright issue Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-13 23:33           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-14  2:35             ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14  8:03               ` David Kastrup
2010-08-14 10:01                 ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14 10:12                   ` David Kastrup
2010-08-14 10:58                     ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-14 16:30                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-16  5:59                         ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-16  7:07                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-16 18:22                             ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-16  8:43                           ` Walter Alejandro Iglesias
2010-08-06 17:32       ` Bastien
2010-08-08 16:31     ` The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Bernardo Barros
2010-08-09 10:00       ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 10:15         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09 13:50           ` The copyright issue David Kastrup
2010-08-09 15:30             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-09 16:58             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09 22:49               ` Miles Bader
2010-08-09 23:57                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-10  1:06                   ` Miles Bader
2010-08-10  2:41                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-10  7:53                 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06 13:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-06 16:39   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-07  7:33     ` David Kastrup
2010-08-07 19:09     ` rogers-emacs
2010-08-07 20:31       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-07 23:52         ` rogers-emacs
2010-08-09  6:40           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-09  8:28             ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09  9:21               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-10 13:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-11  4:02                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-12  1:07                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 10:01           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-09 11:42             ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 13:06               ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09 14:28                 ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 16:16                   ` David Kastrup
2010-08-09 17:07                     ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-10  7:50                       ` David Kastrup
2010-08-10  8:28                         ` Andreas Röhler
2010-08-09 20:41                     ` Fren Zeee
2010-08-10  4:44               ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-10  8:04                 ` David Kastrup
2010-08-10  9:04                   ` Andreas Röhler

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