From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as a desktop environment Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 11:29:07 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87fwo14e98.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87aaebbndz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <09EEF7C6-A715-412D-ABE7-022681CD2E85@raeburn.org> <87ipsyl5ey.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306427373 3088 80.91.229.12 (26 May 2011 16:29:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 26 18:29:30 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QPdR7-0002NV-S1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 18:29:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43630 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPdR7-0006Ka-FF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 12:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38891) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPdR4-0006KT-TW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 12:29:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPdR4-0001NC-5I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 12:29:22 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:33764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QPdR4-0001N7-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 12:29:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QPdR1-0002Gj-VJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 18:29:19 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 18:29:19 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 18:29:19 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cyvAl7UVBE5BPS2WOvd7xxp2YsE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139741 Archived-At: On Thu, 26 May 2011 08:36:27 -0700 PJ Weisberg wrote: PW> My point was really that "smaller, without all the unnecessary PW> features" isn't a very useful goal, because for every feature you cut, PW> there's a group of people who consider it essential. Because those PW> features are not meant for people who use the computer the way you use PW> the computer, it's hard for you to guess how important they are. PW> Once you start cutting out useless features, you're heading towards a PW> desktop that's useful only to you. I'm OK with that. Since Emacs is the engine that drives it, it's easy to extend or modify my desktop environment to suit other people's needs. That, in fact, is the chief difference between an Emacs-based approach to the desktop environment and the Gnome/KDE/XFCE/etc. approach with hard-coded binary blobs and skin-deep themes and HTML+CSS visual customizations. The latter seems to eventually evolve into a Mac OS X clone or a W32 clone; let's see what a fresh Emacs-based approach can do. Ted