From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:28:38 +0900 Message-ID: <87fwb8sdeh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <87wr4rqg6g.fsf@gmail.com> <83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de> <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> <87vck8sfyv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <85obq05aua.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <87r4uvs4ae.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87397b15u7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5p2nhc3.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87k40lsfuv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k40ljtay.fsf@gmx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336634941 2615 80.91.229.3 (10 May 2012 07:29:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eric Schulte Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 10 09:28:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SSNo1-0005xj-JU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 09:28:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41343 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SSNo0-0001vE-VR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 03:28:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36609) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SSNnt-0001uf-3C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 03:28:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SSNno-0003tZ-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 03:28:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:60732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SSNnn-0003nO-Pw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 May 2012 03:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt1.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405BB3FA0835; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:28:39 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 073CE1A4F12; Thu, 10 May 2012 16:28:38 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87k40ljtay.fsf@gmx.com> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" 5d3bb1100832 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.223 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150412 Archived-At: Eric Schulte writes: > To contribute to the bikeshedding [1], No discussion of MIME can reasonably be characterized as bikeshedding. There's another kind of discussion that can be abbreviated to BS that's often an appropriate description, but not bikeshedding. You see, in Parkinson's original fable, the bikeshed is something everybody has knowledge of, and therefore was competent to offer comment. But the litmus test for being competent to discuss MIME (or any mail RFC, for that matter) is the sinking feeling that you're beyond your depth. And even if you feel that way, you still might not qualify! ;-) > I've composed an example email in gnus with inline Org-mode-syntax > code, inline mime-annotated code, and attached (disposition=inline) > code. The results as displayed by gnus, gmail and gmx are shown > [2]. I don't know if gnus should limit itself based on the > limitations of non-standards-compliant commercial software, No, at least in this case Gmail and gmx are behaving conformantly; there is no requirement that an MUA implement any kind of behavior for the "application" content type, except providing a way to save the media to a file. Which they did. Gnus is not incorrect, but it *is* behaving non-portably by providing a display method for the rare and non-portable (and probably unregistered) MIME type "application/emacs-lisp". Use "Content-Type: text/emacs-lisp" and see what happens. > but at the least it would seem that while the mime approach /should/ be > the most portable it will in fact not be portable to many (maybe most) > other MUAs. The MIME *approach* probably *is* portable; you didn't test it. The MIME *type* application/emacs-lisp is *non*-portable. That's exactly what the "application" type is for.