From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unuseful keybindings Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:29:07 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87fw2xglr0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <87sj73qzvl.fsf@gmail.com> <87623zquvw.fsf@gmail.com> <87ip7zdud3.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehiiu5x7.fsf@gnu.org> <876A7D1112084247AE53F7EE42B4587C@us.oracle.com> <80ehih3hlj.fsf@somewhere.org> <87pq21iwrw.fsf@yandex.ru> <87AE81CEB91846DB94BC5F3B40C788DE@us.oracle.com> <50D64318.5030501@yandex.ru> <0FBA2D9ECA214D82B5C65E5A09E7EE19@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356255579 24239 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2012 09:39:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 23 10:39:54 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmi2D-0005Bd-NM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:39:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59027 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmi1z-0000SS-Hy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:39:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57659) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmi1u-0000SI-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:39:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmi1l-0008VB-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:39:34 -0500 Original-Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:35984 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tmi1l-0008UT-4P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:39:25 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A526A451CE4A; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 01:39:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0FBA2D9ECA214D82B5C65E5A09E7EE19@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:45:09 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] X-Received-From: 69.163.218.105 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155799 Archived-At: > There is absolutely no reason for Emacs to bind `f3' and `f4' by default. I have no problem rebinding `f3' to `kill-this-buffer', and `f4' to `dired-jump' in ~/.emacs so they work like in GNU Midnight Commander (now I use Dired instead of MC, but old habits for keys persist ;-) But there is a worse macro keybinding `C-x q' bound to `kbd-macro-query' that prevents using `C-x q' for more useful commands like `quit-window'. I think this problem deserves more attention than binding F-keys. Regarding `f11', the reason why it's a good change is to provide compatibility in Emacs between graphical displays and text terminals. In xterm while running `emacs -nw' typing `f11' toggles Full Screen mode, but on graphical displays this failed until recent addition of the `f11' keybinding.