From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cl-functions do not honor common-lisp-indent-function Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:12:52 +0900 Message-ID: <87fw2tt0rv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87623rmtyy.fsf@gmail.com> <87a9t14551.fsf@gmail.com> <87han9tbzv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356527581 30370 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2012 13:13:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Helmut Eller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 26 14:13:16 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TnqnM-0004uB-3B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:13:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34614 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tnqn7-0005eh-MU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:13:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46846) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tnqn3-0005eN-JG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:12:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tnqn2-0003vt-Bo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:12:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:57162) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tnqn2-0003vl-1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 08:12:56 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544029708F8; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:12:53 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1AF4C1A26D1; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:12:53 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" b0d40183ac79 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155897 Archived-At: Helmut Eller writes: > On Wed, Dec 26 2012, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > Helmut Eller writes: > > > > > Those cl-* symbols have no (predefined) meaning for Common Lisp so > > > shouldn't be in cl-indent.el; for the same reason there shouldn't be > > > rules for save-excursion or condition-case. > > > > That is irrelevant. > > Why? Why should common-lisp-indent-function, by default, implement > something other than the Common Lisp conventions? It shouldn't. And certainly not by default (perhaps I should have used the word "optional" instead of "modal"). But you've got the wrong question. The right one is the inverse: Why should anything other than `common-lisp-indent-function' implement the Common Lisp conventions? > > If the user thinks of these symbols as equivalent > > to "real" Common Lisp standard symbols, then the user has every right > > to ask Emacs to treat them as Common Lisp symbols. > > An Emacs Lisp user or for that matter a Scheme user has not "every > right" to dictate the indentation rules for Common Lisp users. Of course users of other Lisp dialects should not dictate to Common Lisp users. But I was talking about *Emacs* users. I don't have any trouble imagining that some Emacs users who program in both Common Lisp and cl.el would like to see cl-* expressions follow the corresponding Common Lisp conventions. After all, the OP is evidently an example. Steve