From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13276: 24.2.50; apropos-variable Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:53:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87fw2bh881.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87ehi1wfhj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87pq1kc4eo.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <38E9A068A13749DC894603C55CC6D667@us.oracle.com> <87a9sjkamm.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87boczirs3.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1357667649 8662 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2013 17:54:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13276@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 08 18:54:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdNS-0003n4-0t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:54:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40559 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdNC-0003x6-Ch for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:54:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48447) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdN8-0003wq-MP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:54:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdN7-0002JM-Ez for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:53:58 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43834) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdN7-0002JH-BJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:53:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdNC-0001AF-56 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:54:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Bastien Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13276 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13276-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13276.13576676324460 (code B ref 13276); Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13276) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2013 17:53:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57075 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdN2-00019s-2O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:53:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]:34465) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TsdMy-00019f-Tr for 13276@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 12:53:49 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j5so419926bkw.40 for <13276@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:53:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=hdRPFJ5Or192Iv3SfvHQX2nJ4vU8ZLBMT6A9IccyfOA=; b=HUviNBQsdP+IUjjibVmkWrLykFP9OLmz3u2/4DTOcl9ucXfw5YrfhTCy8EoCOq//2q ofIIJ+T8sa0RSz0B/BgAyPE4AGqDrdpIw/+hWTv2eFPSAGtahu3AhJeHhb9vhbwQXEFk 0ztsNjrHUJ2ba5C870EfwhVavd9Kk56F4WpWp6t/c/4WNLwhjzQA7eJDRMNb/eYG0Ym6 x2PPzuSRVlmx/TrDHn/snPLEyY18U5RQhtq+oUfJB+pFQS5+kO8bxE4lcna2id1drg9E tiltkourqpwla7F6NCRiI1wWL+Pk3lPLzZemwhNbG8LtZgDqQLEwRAg5HNc+mpbCuDWk vWGg== X-Received: by 10.204.130.140 with SMTP id t12mr32964835bks.39.1357667616589; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:53:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10sm46286295bkw.1.2013.01.08.09.53.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:53:35 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DCB0D1C2032F; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:53:34 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:56:13 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:69508 Archived-At: Hi Drew, I know that you are contributing a lot, sorry if my email suggested otherwise. My point was that, for small changes (like this one or the ones you often request about docstrings), patches are more likely to be more closely and quickly considered than discussions, because they speak for themselves. If they do not, and if it is a small change, then probably we're bikeshed'ing. > My arguments have been only about why Emacs should use this name > instead of that name. I understand, and perhaps you're right. > If there is a decision to revert to the name `apropos-option' then I > will gladly submit a patch to do that. My point (again) is that such a "decision" is more likely to happen if you submit the patch *before*. Be bold :) >> -- you said earlier that you already explained why you >> don't contribute directly, > > No idea what that means. I'm referring to a reply you sent to Stefan recently, stating that you already stated why you would not contribute code. But maybe my memory is fragile. > I contribute directly all the time, and I am doing so now. We disagree on what "directly" means: I mean submitting or applying a patch. > If you mean committing code then no, I do not do that. I have no > programmer tools on my laptop (which belongs to my employer), and I do not > intend to have any. Too bad! > If someone else does not want to commit a patch I submit that has been agreed > upon, so be it. If a patch or a suggestion I submit is not agreed upon, so be > it. > > I do not decide things for Emacs Dev. And I do not commit to the Emacs > source-code tree. Up to you. > Other than that, I contribute in many ways, all of which I > consider to be "direct". They are valuable too. Thanks! -- Bastien