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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal?
Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 06:31:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fvy2vyht.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CACeWA3igRL9=5GON+S1JTQeMWqt5r=F_Cc0nNxqMTCwJ81K0tg@mail.gmail.com


Of course, every day!


Steven Degutis <sbdegutis@gmail.com> writes:

> What's the use-case for having the terminal be able to act as an editor?

That's rather the other way you should ask: what's the use case of using
a bitmap _graphic_ screen to edit _text_?

That would be a WYSIWYG word processor, I wouldn't say, but we're far
from it with emacs.


> For me it's rather the other way around, I use the terminal within my
> editor (eshell).
>
> Seems like there's no real point in supporting terminal-mode in a text
> editor these days.

There's a lot of point, on the contrary:  there are a lot of emacing
done thru the internet, and since we don't have yet gigabit fiber
everywhere, and even if we had it, we may not have guaranteed bandwidth
to all those remote servers on which we have to edit configuration
files, or debug server programs, it is much easier to work with a
terminal thru ssh, than with X11 thru ssh (or even worse, thru vnc).


There are also users with special needs that are not fulfilled by GUI,
but who can work much better with a TUI, ie. with a terminal (eg. blind
people).


Now, of course, when I use emacs locally, I prefer to use it with X11
(but notice, without any decoration (I use ratpoison) or any other GUI
element (I compile it with no X toolkit, and I use it with:
    (scroll-bar-mode     -1)
    (menu-bar-mode       -1)
    (tool-bar-mode       -1)
so if you compared a screenshot of emacs with X11 and emacs on a
terminal (with 256 colors), you wouldn't notice any difference).

Only from time to time, when I visualize a PDF or a PNG, would it make a
difference (but then, on a terminal we could also switch to some bitmap
mode, either with a frame buffer on the console, or switching to the
Tek-4041 mode).


Even when connecting from my iPad (with iSSH), it's easier to use emacs
thru ssh in the terminal, than on X11 (which iSSH provides).

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                     http://www.informatimago.com/
A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-05  4:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-05  3:06 Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  3:58 ` Le Wang
2013-05-05  4:06   ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  4:30     ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-05  4:33       ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  5:38     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05  5:43       ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  6:58         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-05-05 17:24         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-05-05 19:30           ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  6:59     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]     ` <mailman.25179.1367737210.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-05 14:27       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05 19:31         ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05 19:52           ` Mark Skilbeck
2013-05-05  4:32   ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-08 12:51     ` Steinar Bang
2013-05-05  5:34   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05  5:39     ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  4:04 ` XeCycle
2013-05-05  4:13 ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-05  4:17   ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  4:36     ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-05  5:42     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05  4:31 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2013-05-05  4:39   ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  4:41     ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-05  8:29       ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-05  5:43     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-05  5:46     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-09 11:50   ` Luca Ferrari
2013-05-05  6:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-05  8:21 ` eniotna
2013-05-06 10:20   ` Bastien
     [not found] <mailman.25145.1367723226.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-05  3:43 ` Chad Brown
2013-05-07 18:17   ` Cecil Westerhof
2013-05-08  2:30     ` Hugh Lawson
2013-05-08  9:35       ` Nicolas Richard
2013-05-08 15:53         ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-08 20:51           ` Nicolas Richard
2013-05-08 21:08             ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-22 11:01               ` Steinar Bang
2013-05-09  8:26             ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]           ` <mailman.25343.1368046244.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-08 23:21             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-09  8:21               ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-05-09  8:38               ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 13:39                 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 15:26                   ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 15:35                     ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 18:50                       ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 18:58                       ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 19:01                         ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 19:09                           ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-09 19:04                         ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 19:19                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 19:27                             ` Jai Dayal
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.25426.1368126295.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-09 19:09                           ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-09 21:08                             ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11  4:01                               ` PJ Weisberg
2013-05-11 14:43                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-11 14:45                                 ` Jai Dayal
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.25436.1368133731.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-09 21:58                               ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-09 16:00                   ` Luca Ferrari
2013-05-09 16:02                     ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 16:19                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 16:25                         ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 16:40                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 16:46                             ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 17:04                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 17:11                                 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 17:27                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 17:50                                     ` Steven Degutis
2013-05-09 16:51                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-05-09 16:19                       ` Hongxu Chen
2013-05-09 16:27                         ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11 18:13                       ` Luca Ferrari
2013-05-11 18:14                         ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11 19:12                           ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.25563.1368296076.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-11 20:14                           ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-11 21:11                             ` Jai Dayal
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.25571.1368306670.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-11 21:40                               ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-11 22:32                                 ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-11 23:51                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-05-12  8:30                                   ` Peter Dyballa
2013-05-12  8:44                                     ` Hongxu Chen
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.25594.1368348301.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-12 19:44                                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-12 20:00                                         ` Dan Espen
2013-05-12 20:53                                           ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-12 21:18                                           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]                                           ` <mailman.25612.1368392031.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-12 22:40                                             ` Dan Espen
2013-05-13  1:23                                               ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-12 20:52                                         ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-13  5:58                                           ` Jonathan Groll
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.25577.1368311553.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-11 22:41                                   ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-12  0:04                                     ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-12 13:46                                       ` Jonathan Groll
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.25583.1368317085.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-12  0:09                                       ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-12  2:27                                   ` Dan Espen
2013-05-12  6:32                                     ` Jai Dayal
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.25590.1368340339.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-12 14:07                                       ` Jay Belanger
2013-05-09 16:17                     ` Hongxu Chen
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.25386.1368106748.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-09 13:43                   ` notbob
2013-05-09 15:57                     ` Jai Dayal
2013-05-09 16:53                   ` Jay Belanger
     [not found]         ` <mailman.25331.1368028437.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-08 16:51           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-08 19:49             ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-09  1:15               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-05-09  2:48                 ` Bob Proulx
2013-05-09  7:25                 ` Jonathan Groll
2013-05-09  9:08                   ` Tamas Papp
2013-05-05 10:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-05-06  3:31   ` Jason White
2013-05-06  9:52     ` ken
2013-05-06  9:56       ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]       ` <mailman.25227.1367834181.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-08 10:22         ` Andrea Venturoli
     [not found]   ` <mailman.25215.1367811087.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-05-06 13:13     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-05-06 15:29   ` Joost Kremers

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