From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BBDB v3 approaching release Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:03:23 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87fvx47bno.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <20899.5836.285028.24953@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87obbvwgw6.fsf@sbs.ch> <20901.8264.9162.330645@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20902.12476.291747.710823@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20903.7625.861080.943448@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1369926229 21235 80.91.229.3 (30 May 2013 15:03:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 15:03:49 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 30 17:03:49 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui4OJ-0007r9-IN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:03:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56545 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui4OJ-0004KT-2Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:03:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui4OC-0004Gy-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:03:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui4O7-0006O9-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:03:40 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:39810) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui4O7-0006Np-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 11:03:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ui4O5-0007fJ-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:03:33 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-72-93-26-80.bstnma.east.verizon.net ([72.93.26.80]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:03:33 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by pool-72-93-26-80.bstnma.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:03:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-93-26-80.bstnma.east.verizon.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SOgB2bRMLuvdWCqnolVp4mRW5dY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159928 Archived-At: On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:37:13 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2013, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> How do I configure install locations of a package if it's in ELPA >>> format? >> You don't. UM> Why is this better than having them configurable? Especially, why are UM> you asking that a package like BBDB that has a perfectly working UM> autoconf build system should _remove_ it? I don't think Stefan asked for that. Simply, when something is installed as an ELPA package, it doesn't have control over its install location. UM> This means that anyone who wants to adhere to some standard like FHS UM> must move files around manually. I had to do this way too often when UM> packaging things for Gentoo. UM> Most packages are at least friendly enough and spend a defvar or UM> defcustom that allows to configure these directories (often with a UM> fallback to the above-mentioned load-file-name location). Installing system packages and installing user packages are completely different things. The ELPA is intended as a user-accessible format, where "user" could be "root". But it doesn't have deep integration with any of the Emacs platforms, nor was that part of its design. I think that's worth discussing further and improving. Ted