From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 21:43:53 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87fvvv2j6u.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <8738s087wj.fsf@gmail.com> <87bo6mjv4s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871u7gavwx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87obaj39sc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4btxkb7gw7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3l72z81.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372902254 32024 80.91.229.3 (4 Jul 2013 01:44:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 01:44:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 04 03:44:14 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UuYak-0008Ti-5h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 03:44:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49074 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuYaj-0008Mf-OE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 21:44:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuYag-0008LZ-4w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 21:44:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuYaf-0000WL-7I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 21:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuYaf-0000UN-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 21:44:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UuYad-0008Pc-Me for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 03:44:07 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net ([72.93.34.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 03:44:07 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 03:44:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 28 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wTBmpWyt0TJOAH0gviEKB+tB9CM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161500 Archived-At: On Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Drew Adams wrote: >> make it easier for the user by calling it someting obvious rather >> than the more cryptic. Using 'eww' may be considered 'cute', but >> it certainly isn't 'natural'. >> ... >> Using names which are as 'natural' and reflect purpose as much >> as possible will help and certainly won't make things worse. DA> +1. There is really little excuse for such names as Emacs commands. DA> A command name should preferably be something that `apropos' can DA> help with. In general it should have components that are DA> recognizable keywords. I think the package author should decide this. The "natural" name you suggest is bland and generic. Do you really want to use a text editor named "text-editor" and a web browser named "web-browser"? eww is just as good as Chrome or Firefox/Netscape/Mozilla or Lynx or... Or, in Emacs land, let's take helm, or gnus, or eieio, or... OTOH as Stefan suggested, there is a case for generic commands to do a task like encryption or web browsing. I'm in favor of that, as I mentioned, and those commands should be named as generically helpfully as possible. Ted