From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: a) What ways can Meta be put in a command?... b) What's the difference between Esc-x and M-x Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 19:47:36 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87fvvrwpfr.fsf@informatimago.com> References: <5isizsbzhu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ppuwg1xy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373133016 16524 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2013 17:50:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 17:50:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 06 19:50:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UvWck-0008IB-JL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 19:50:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36016 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvWck-0007a4-2X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 13:50:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Trace: individual.net 1xOufgqDANuMSiliYR9LXQZZVP5tp1KNLa/+myQXR6FQtXqd0u Cancel-Lock: sha1:OWM4ZmNiMWRmMTI2OTgwYTRiNTgzZjM2YmI5M2YyNTU5NjBhMWJhYw== sha1:7K3gQ+GxzxsQfb1PCrwfUWefbA0= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:199717 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:91984 Archived-At: Thomas Shannon writes: > Emanuel Berg writes: > >> Peter Dyballa writes: >> >>>> b) What's the difference between Esc-x and M-x >>> >>> In a terminal emulation M-x does not exist, you have to use >>> Esc-x. The GNU Emacs variants with some windowing support also >>> support the Esc-x work-around. >> >> On paleo-computers, was the Escape key placed anywhere else than >> it is on today's keyboards? The reason I ask is - well, just try >> hitting a couple of familiar shortcuts, but instead of Meta, use >> Escape. I think it would take a master at the accordion to be >> productive using that. > > 1) Totally agree. > > 2) Think how bad it would be if, like the way people usually use the > meta key, you would have to simultaneously hold down Esc and the key. > At least you can press Esc, let up on it, then press the second key and it > works fine. Still awkward but, as I don't know how to play accordion, > thank goodness its much easier. :) On a TTY, (see picture url in my other answer), I'm pretty sure you could leave ESC down while pressing the other key. Of course, it didn't flip a bit on the next byte sent like shift or control, but instead sent a byte 27, but for the typist, it was pretty much the same UX. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}. You know you've been lisping too long when you see a recent picture of George Lucas and think "Wait, I thought John McCarthy was dead!" -- Dalek_Baldwin