From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:15:13 +0100 Message-ID: <87fvqqi09q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <83zjoyewgn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385025622 24724 80.91.229.3 (21 Nov 2013 09:20:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@gnu.org, asr@ufl.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 21 10:20:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VjQQz-00048m-9n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:20:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60015 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjQQy-0000kM-Kn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:20:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41457) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjQMB-0002zW-IP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:15:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjQM7-0004fp-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:15:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]:33429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjQM1-0004dz-Mw; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 04:15:17 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u56so3054960wes.37 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:15:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=YvYeWpJYZ2k+aoS/paRL4IPaavi4fYXLHhW6pil3wcM=; b=NXk1NoAODRjW1uQxGlxg+mr3knEpsKdpR2SOTcRIa6wsTqkNwHm1kLDyyHf+GOfSK5 ATDycfHNPr1qAn7vrscRa31nbKzfgL1s1UnXo3JfLEtpSCk6M5LLM0w5pkmNpf9nNNay SGrITnXW3qLTY/9cft4O9KEfr4AaoFHRtBmSqEOI0LAhrnWaviaHZ7fYOx+p1oZqM/ZZ fO5NZOb9EckoCEoGgJSDWHcYDw9fbG4eLnXd1bO7yjlwnS+8ydb8Ojb0CfZ7JUQ375sS GIITbGE6tpLaURqHawZOg31pYeE6u5SjL0WTUbSehEojXXFGs7loQfYo7eZEmc1JErvG ZlCw== X-Received: by 10.180.211.45 with SMTP id mz13mr18414804wic.48.1385025316598; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:15:16 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id uc12sm3273716wib.3.2013.11.21.01.15.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:15:15 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 92DE81C20880; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:15:13 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83zjoyewgn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:53:28 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165472 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > However, I don't understand why these features are put forward before > much more basic ones. As I understand Richard's request, he would > like to do everything we can do in Texinfo, but with WYSIWYG display, > have a capability to export that in several formats, and be able to > print it from Emacs. Why not start with these modest features? Please: it's time to give Org-mode a try. C-x C-f ~/test.org RET Insert this string: ======================================================================== * A headline A paragraphe. ======================================================================== C-c C-e l o If (La)TeX is installed on the machine, this will open a PDF file. You can configure Emacs to open this PDF file (or an ODT file) in another Emacs window. We could make it easy to export continuously in the background and display the PDF/ODT part in another window, this way one would really see what you get, in real time. I guess that'd suit most of Richard needs, but it's hard to tell. -- Bastien