From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs as word processor / Text Properties Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:13:07 +0900 Message-ID: <87fvqhc83g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83vbzkcx20.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2lrczi7.fsf@gnu.org> <8338mmcsd9.fsf@gnu.org> <83txf1blf2.fsf@gnu.org> <87txf133yd.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <83r4a5bj5x.fsf@gnu.org> <87mwktdy6r.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83iovhb0ez.fsf@gnu.org> <87k3fxdpmg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837gbwbcsx.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2lnevq7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ob57rlkb.fsf_-_@informatimago.com> <35e892b1-73b8-4ca2-9317-7eb83e7223e5@default> <464a688e-b7a5-4f6b-84b4-d7cd42107c8d@default> <87ob55cguk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <39be2217-d01b-4f93-82b6-3df8258d888a@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385622810 2029 80.91.229.3 (28 Nov 2013 07:13:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 07:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "T.V. Raman" , Lennart Borgman , "Pascal J. Bourguignon" , Emacs-Devel devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 28 08:13:32 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlvn2-0003bL-NR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:13:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39512 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlvn1-0006A1-S4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:13:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48193) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlvms-00068B-Jl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:13:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlvml-00054V-AW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:13:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:47132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vlvmk-00050Z-PZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:13:15 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F11970A22; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:13:07 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1C1BD1A5205; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:13:07 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <39be2217-d01b-4f93-82b6-3df8258d888a@default> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 182d01410b8d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165828 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > I don't see that #1 alone "is our target". Just one opinion. I don't either. My point is simply that *if* sharing files (your #1) is *a* goal, the target formats are *Office formats (.doc, OOXML, ODF basically, and maybe we can ignore .doc in the near future). > I might even suggest not worrying about #1 on its own. Get #2 right > and import/export will follow, to a large degree. Export, already demonstrated in practice. Import, I'll bet you my dollars against your yen (up to a reasonable number like "20") that getting separation of content from presentation (#2) right gets you about 10% of the way to importing any of those formats reliably. > And to the degree that *Office documents are incompatible with > clean XML/XHTML/whatever, just say no: don't worry much about it. That's cheating, of course. :-) I don't have anything against that strategy, personally (it's the one I advocate, after all). But there are people who think that file sharing with non-Emacs users is a goal.