From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5774: 23.1.92; Emacs manual, node Persistent Marks Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 19:26:24 -0800 Message-ID: <87fvnrhcm7.fsf@building.gnus.org> References: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392002895 31569 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2014 03:28:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5774@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 10 04:28:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXe-0004AD-Rj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 04:28:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53112 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXe-0005Yf-7Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:28:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39333) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXX-0005YY-9k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:28:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXO-0004nS-GC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:28:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXO-0004nO-DK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXO-0005JJ-2L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:28:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5774 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 5774-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5774.139200287620383 (code B ref 5774); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 03:27:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXH-0005Ih-Rv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:27:56 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXG-0005IZ-8G for 5774@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:27:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WChWz-00054l-6o; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 04:27:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:03:32 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1WChWz-00054l-6o MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392607658.30481@iix/tgDrVqvZWC4X4Mvzxw X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85154 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > 1. The node says: > > "When Transient Mark mode is off, the mark is _never_ deactivated..." > > This is wrong. And it confuses users. Check `C-h v mark-active' with t-m-mode > off and see if what it says makes sense in combination with this Info doc (no). [...] > `mark-active' is an internal variable that is irrelevant to this doc and a > conceptual understanding. What is relevant for the user's conceptual model is > observable behavior, not implementation. > > It makes no difference what the value of `mark-active' is when t-m-mode is off. > Your code can set it to anything at all, including nil, and that will change > nothing in terms of observable behavior. True, but I can't find anything in the manual that states this in this way any more after grepping for a minute. Closing, but please reopen if this problem is still in the manual. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/