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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:96461 Archived-At: Hi Jay, Jay Belanger writes: > dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) writes: >> Drew Adams writes: >> >>> Please remove such silly messages, which do not tell users about a *key >>> sequence* bound to the command they entered. >> >> Actually I find these messages very instructive for people like me, >> which had no idea about this (new with Emacs-25?) abbreviation ability! > > Do you use the abbreviations a lot? I used them not yet so often but since I'm using more and more commands without key-bindings (which is painful when you already know which command you want) I'm going to use them for - debug-on-entry (d-on-) - debbugs-gnu-bugs (d-g-b) - re-builder (re-b) - eval-buffer (e-bu) - log-edit-insert-changelog (l-e-i-c) > The full M-x commands have descriptive names and are always available; > the abbreviations given have neither of these qualities. But the descriptive names remain available, it's just when you know what you want you are empowered to type it faster, aren't you? Hmm, I should have reported that I'm using icomplete-mode, of course, this mode feels so natural that I'm already took it for granted, sorry! With (setq icomplete-mode t) you can see both the full descriptive names and the abbreviation. Have a nice day Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany