From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:25:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87fvadfr9t.fsf@engster.org> References: <87mw4rxkzv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y4oavxcy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d25juy8m.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iofa8lu2.fsf@gnu.org> <87twytg0m8.fsf@engster.org> <83wq3p7ki2.fsf@gnu.org> <87mw4lfz2q.fsf@engster.org> <83vbj97f34.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423599954 27548 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2015 20:25:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 10 21:25:44 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHNQ-0003eS-4n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:25:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41688 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHNP-0001Ey-Eg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:25:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHNK-0001EI-PN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHNG-0005QA-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([5.45.97.173]:46214) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHNG-0005Pl-BS; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:25:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=umhhRj7tYAKhbgiChnZVQXUcYbh7BAiKmKS2f2Exb28=; b=O4VKbXGs0+EkgzrzK3WxAYcmGM2DxHHNmJ5lVbGNj2g7viKf1KVqvG/WkVchoLKpGcKzpQXXla51LSCTQDC1q1G0kNiphIdGrmTd19Sv0gFXHPhFQmJN8yUuShX0HymS; Original-Received: from ip4d149227.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([77.20.146.39] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YLHND-00071t-6c; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:25:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83vbj97f34.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:15:43 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.45.97.173 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182839 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Engster >> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eller.helmut@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:36:45 +0100 >> >> "As one of the GCC developers working during the last ten years on >> reducing the gap between GCC and Clang, I would suggest that Emacs >> developers who are happy with Clang should just use it to improve Emacs >> (I'm also an Emacs user!) and those that are unhappy with Clang should >> just join the GCC team and help us such that in some years, GCC could be >> an alternative. Anything else is just noise." [1] >> >> So it's all "just noise" unless I become a GCC developer. No thanks. > > Do you want me to show you similar quotes about bidi, from 12 years > ago? > Do you know how many false ideas were uttered when bidi was > in design phase, and I didn't know enough about Emacs display to tell > right from wrong? Again, you make it sound like I'm giving up. I don't. My error was to think working with GCC would get support from RMS/GNU. Since that isn't the case, there simply is no reason left to choose it over libclang/libtooling, which is vastly superior for implementing IDE tooling features. > Just disregard that, and do what you think is right. That's exactly what I'm doing. -David