From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 06:46:48 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fv7xpvc7.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwvlhienrtk.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 16:44:04 -0400 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> Option 2) Instead of us manually telling users to add
>> `(package-initialize)' to their init-files, we have Emacs do that
>> automatically. Similar to how `custom.el' adds a call to
>> `custom-set-variables' the first time you save a variable; package.el
>> could add a call to `package-initialize' the first time you install a
>> package.
SM> I think that's the way to go, indeed.
Ugh. Sadly it seems to be the only reasonable way without changing what
`package-initialize' does fundamentally.
But I would approach this with command-line switches for Emacs, see below.
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 12:07:24 +0200 Vasilij Schneidermann <v.schneidermann@gmail.com> wrote:
>> We discussed this already. There's the issue of configuring package.el
>> before loading it and/or before calling package-initialize.
VS> OK, I've checked again and sighted eight customization candidates in
VS> package.el:
VS> - package-enable-at-startup: Would be equivalent to the proposed
VS> environment variable.
VS> - package-load-list: Needs to be configured before.
VS> - package-archives: Needs to be configured before for
VS> non-interactive package installation.
VS> - package-pinned-packages: Needs to be configured before for
VS> non-interactive package installation.
VS> - package-user-dir: Needs to be configured before.
VS> - package-directory-list: Needs to be configured before.
VS> - package-check-signature and package-unsigned-archives: Can be
VS> customized afterwards
I think `package-check-signature' should also be configured before for
batch operation.
There aren't that many variables and they are all package-related. So
maybe support "emacs --package-xyz=foo" for all the above, for the
exceptional cases where the default setup of `package-initialize' is
wrong. Unlike --eval, the --package switches would know to notify the
internals. And unlike environment variables, the operation mode would be
explicitly encoded in the invocation.
Regardless of how it's implemented, I would make it easier for beginners
at the expense of making customizations a little harder for advanced
users and making batch operations complicated (because they usually
already are). So, for instance, environment variables for begginers are
not great because beginners are not going to write a wrapper shell
script.
I think, unfortunately, in the end it's easiest to keep the current
"just put this in your init file" situation. We could do worse :)
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-18 10:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-30 19:01 Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Artur Malabarba
2015-03-30 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 10:52 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 10:46 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2015-03-31 8:53 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 10:55 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 12:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-03-31 13:19 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 13:47 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:03 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-01 6:04 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:51 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2015-03-31 15:40 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 20:46 ` Stefan Monnier
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-11 23:10 Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12 1:00 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 16:46 ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-12 19:43 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:05 ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-12 20:28 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 3:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 9:58 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 12:02 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <20150412082125.GA490@odonien>
2015-04-12 10:07 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12 10:28 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 12:09 Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 14:26 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 14:45 ` Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 20:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 14:40 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2015-04-12 16:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 21:02 ` Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 23:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-13 22:52 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-13 22:49 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 12:25 Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 13:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 14:24 ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 15:16 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:35 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:25 ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 18:48 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 15:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 17:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-18 18:16 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19 0:24 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-19 0:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:24 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-19 8:19 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:04 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19 3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-19 6:44 ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19 8:11 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 22:37 ` chad
2015-04-19 6:40 ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19 8:04 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 0:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 7:54 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 12:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 14:31 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 16:01 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 17:29 ` chad
2015-04-20 18:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 19:40 ` chad
2015-04-20 19:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 15:19 ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-27 9:52 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 11:03 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-27 14:01 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 12:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:10 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:15 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:36 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-27 13:43 ` Andy Moreton
2015-04-27 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 10:11 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28 7:25 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28 7:39 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28 7:42 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28 14:54 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 16:46 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-28 17:29 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 18:52 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-29 1:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 15:32 ` raman
2015-04-29 8:25 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-28 15:26 ` raman
2015-04-27 14:13 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:46 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 15:15 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 0:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-29 8:01 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-29 13:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 0:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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