From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 02:06:30 +0900 Message-ID: <87fv5ixskp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87a8vrg3m1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435079218 22941 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 17:06:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 23 19:06:43 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Rei-0001HP-Us for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 19:06:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46528 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Rei-00010Z-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:06:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39417) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Ree-00010P-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:06:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Reb-0002NY-LO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:06:36 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:59023) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7Reb-0002Mc-B0; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:06:33 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 876621C3941; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 02:06:30 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 674771A2CA2; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 02:06:30 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" ffb5abc8dc4e XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187429 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > Actually, you are the one engaging in ad hominem attacks here, by > > making statements about me personally > > I am criticizing what you say. That's not ad-hominem. No, you criticize *me*, writing: What we get from you is ad-hominem attacks, over and over. I changed my mind in this discussion, but venom for those you disagree with never changes. That is most definitely ad hominem, and indeed you know it to be untrue. You have had a number of experiences of perfectly courteous exchanges with me, as have many on emacs-devel, despite disagreement. > But you are spewing contempt at other people, calling them a > "lobby". Only in their role of advocating that non-ASCII characters be prohibited in contexts where I believe they would be useful. I myself am lobbying for experimentation with non-ASCII characters in Emacs syntax. I see nothing "contemptuous" in that word, and nothing in several online dictionaries suggests that it is offensive. > > When did you change your mind in this discussion, and about what? > > Reread my messages and you will see. Why are you evading a simple question, and refusing to share information you certainly have? Rereading would be both tedious and unreliable. Because your posts are very short, and with minimal quoting for context (and rarely any attribution of quotations), it can be very difficult to establish context for your words.