From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: help in same window + colorful help + =?utf-8?Q?Bl=C3=BCmchen?= Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:41:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87fv4z2aov.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> References: <87lhera8kl.fsf@nl106-137-147.student.uu.se> <20150707234519.25862.069DDC4F@ahiker.mooo.com> <20150708070357.GA18527@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1436352215 13171 80.91.229.3 (8 Jul 2015 10:43:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 10:43:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 08 12:43:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCmp3-0001Dc-VA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:43:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34287 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCmp3-0001hj-D8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 06:43:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47739) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCmop-0001he-PI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 06:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCmom-0007PN-FP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 06:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCmom-0007PC-8R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 06:43:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCmoi-0000xn-1S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:43:04 +0200 Original-Received: from nl106-137-246.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:43:04 +0200 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-246.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:43:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-246.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:coKzgds3OguQ1jQRxPEmWZD3Eg0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:105519 Archived-At: writes: > But Emacs has a tradition of accomodating a broad > range of people, and that is the part I actually > cherish most. OK, let's do an experiment. Start Emacs in X with no configuration to it. The normal Emacs, I mean, not emacs-nox or anything like that. Then start Gnus: add a couple of newsgroups, examine the server, etc. How does it look? I can't provide screenshots, because I'm on emacs-nox, but here is how it looks for me: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/gmane/ Do you "see" the difference? :) > I haven't played very much with themes, but wouldn't > that be the way to go? I don't like themes. If you are to fiddle with them, you will only get frustrated and then you have to do it manually to get the last details. But because you didn't do anything manually before that, how will you know what to add, and how? So you might as well do it manually from day one and enjoy it. Only not all people do it, so the effort should also be to make it look its best from the get-go! -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573