From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rasmus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Intermediate tutorial shipped with Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:00:31 +0200 Message-ID: <87fv2apw3k.fsf@gmx.us> References: <87a8sjcfr6.fsf@earth.catern.com> <834miqrhza.fsf@gnu.org> <876136zut4.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442656859 22539 80.91.229.3 (19 Sep 2015 10:00:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:00:59 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 19 12:00:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdEws-0007wb-Jf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:00:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44753 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdEwr-0003ea-Os for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:00:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdEwn-0003e9-49 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:00:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdEwh-0001gd-PV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:00:44 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59652) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdEwh-0001ey-9K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:00:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdEwf-0007aT-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:00:37 +0200 Original-Received: from x590cfa8a.dyn.telefonica.de ([89.12.250.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:00:37 +0200 Original-Received: from rasmus by x590cfa8a.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:00:37 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x590cfa8a.dyn.telefonica.de Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAMAAABg3Am1AAAANlBMVEX+/v7f3+CTk5O/v8C/ wMHPz8+fn6Cvr7C/wL92dXahoZ/AwL9MTEyAgH9gX19+f4AwLzN/gIBRedkoAAAACXBIWXMAAABI AAAASABGyWs+AAABfUlEQVRIDd3B0VbbQBBEwdstzYx3BYL8/88GYTCytD5xHpMq/gGyp5m/EInK xfMs4JLBs9TYZOdZ0diExZOisVHjGVGhamyi8UCJb2qVruTT1BkKZ4ovZsdiJJJwcBVN3CgZagJP fPHCTQYjaoIsNmEXNzInilryRZAFyGIvxUG89mmeJwFZgIM9JQc9uXEA6YUdc1S+iC/mgxs7FRwo X1ZxNRfQ2FNxr79N4qYL5IUdc68He1MIWvAjxR3ZYk9C4keKg7k1u4sHOiOqtTMiOg8EI9mCxyRO ojkYirf1tVmcRDaBOPAaHElsZidKcW9loAKIjGRdm8VeFQNeyjlX87unEDeKOV5Wzpa2CGaxF79a a3YWZ9E5m9bgEQcDsvsiBi5mLPz+xtnUxICytRQnYTMg58KZyilGmjgLu8RYBgfKluJKTRyVS3yR FjsnvskhdAlXEWGuFOXszp5pX4KdFIKoJYJ7+sTRpap6Zs+Ne9XCn+hDzDEvl6k24j/wGxJYCCwe kUkPAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ojBdeIwD9Ia/D/5g/OMKk41BzGQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190088 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > That's a challenge in itself: how do you give "a taste" of a feature > > without describing it in full, or close to that. > > "Not describing it in full" is pretty much the definition of "a > taste". > > I would envision this intermediate tutorial as a series of "HOWTO" > do common tasks. It would only explain enough of the feature to > implement the HOWTO, and provide links to the manual. I guess it's also a question of exposing nice features such a narrowing. Sort of like the "discovery" tooltip shown in some programs, typically at startup. So I think a tutorial is as much about exposing "cool features". Rasmus -- Summon the Mothership!