From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21054: 25.0.50; Can't edit SES documents: Not at cell Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:03:16 +0100 Message-ID: <87fv03870r.fsf_-_@wanadoo.es> References: <87380rvx91.fsf@telefonica.net> <87wptg7y9c.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83twoj9q18.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447873464 11603 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2015 19:04:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:04:24 +0000 (UTC) To: 21054@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 18 20:04:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz81c-00038s-3d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:04:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37786 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz81b-00006Q-Ig for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:04:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36807) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz81X-00006K-PR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:04:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz81S-0005ZR-Os for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:04:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53977) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz81S-0005ZH-LM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:04:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz81S-0002IQ-7c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:04:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21054 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21054-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21054.14478734208788 (code B ref 21054); Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:04:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21054) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2015 19:03:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43685 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz815-0002Hg-Mx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:03:39 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp21.acens.net ([86.109.99.145]:51142 helo=smtp.movistar.es) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zz80l-0002Gx-BA for 21054@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:03:38 -0500 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0205.564CCB76.0095, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Original-Received: from qcore (83.38.102.153) by smtp.movistar.es (8.6.122.03) (authenticated as 981711563$telefonica.net) id 56016B7402D66F29 for 21054@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:03:18 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83twoj9q18.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:27:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:108877 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The changeset you identified as the one to blame is huge, even if we > look only at changes in ses.el. Would it be possible for you to try > to locate the code that specifically caused this misbehavior? I tried for a bit and located the specific call chain that throws the error, but not why it is thrown. > Or maybe you already know that? > > Armed with that knowledge, we could see how to fix this annoying > problem, which IMO should block Emacs 25.1 release, unless we fix it > soon. This bug renders ses.el unusable, so it is a release blocker indeed. The right approach would be to revert the omnibus change that introduced the problem as soon as it was reported, but that was rejected by Stephan and now possibly other changes rely on the parts covered by the problematic one. Anyways, I have the intention of delving into this issue as soon as possible (before the year's end) and it is very likely that I find a "fix", but I have no enough knowledge about ses.el to guarantee its soundness, so if anyone has a proper understanding of what's going on, please go ahead and fix it. (The fact that Stephan didn't fix the bug himself is an indication that it is far from being a trivial one.)