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Metzger" To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 22:55:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3rsO-0002xn-9A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:54:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56805 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3rsR-0000JY-8s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:54:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3rsH-0000HX-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:54:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3rsG-0003qe-Bd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:54:41 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:53853) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3rsA-0003jq-T6; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:54:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gGjARZ/0SPYsJUBKtsAZIWPge6hcU+EzdCJhboVT8Hs=; b=mVn9wjWN1PURWVTybMSRTMKd5 OtAe1PkyDPYfAEtA/jbeyGsBzOJxQ7jELscCBRtBYv4EcF7/0MdV3OHTm3rtrwWv0VtsqsLeU6MTQ VFb5XZ73z0eRpWTNZEko19RhombSAIuEQtmnGNuTGvarlPBqbetk0pCCFPB5599s/V5TydSQdgiNh 3ieAIpZrTEe5e3KEh1nKEhXT6qdffRA0Hl5B/qhTwdk84ZNMUPEc/x4w0NHb2d8WK4r18bz5q1lio sN4TwZzPpcy4UCOgRemXLwMXSXo1v43TekYZMJwJSYzMsVfSHK7SVN+zJawSFp66Ah02Wpk8YlVX5 f7vt3hGMQ==; Original-Received: from cpc14-benw10-2-0-cust305.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.234.125.50]:38778 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c3rs8-0038ly-PA; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:54:32 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83r36ngkcg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:29:03 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209273 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > What we are doing is we are bikeshedding about a short paragraph of > text that I added back to a README, that's all. It's a mouse that > gave birth to a mountain. I guess we have nothing more important to > do with our time. My motivation for raising the issue and deleting that text was not one of bikeshedding. Of course, as a piece of software with a 40 year history, Emacs is both bound to and probably should be a relatively conservative project. But, at the same time, it does need to change and adapt with the times, at many different levels. And, it has done: dash.el at a code level, a package system at adminstrative level and now double buffering in the display. Emacs is old. Because of this it displays in part maturity and in parts senescence. Keep the former is a good thing, the latter is not. What concerns me, here, is that in a document which might be the first thing that a prospective new user sees, we are saying "if you use Windows 9x". Every year, I get the privilege of teaching some of the next generation of programmers, and I live program with Emacs in front of them. Windows 98 became obsolete when they were eight and was released before they were born. We're never going to be the coolest kids on the block and to try would be Dad-dancing. But, appearing to live in the past is not good either (cue Jethro Tull). Here I leave the discussion. Phil