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From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org,
	"Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
Subject: Re: Windows emacs-25.1 i686 vs x86_64?
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:54:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fun3arc9.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r36ngkcg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:29:03 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> What we are doing is we are bikeshedding about a short paragraph of
> text that I added back to a README, that's all.  It's a mouse that
> gave birth to a mountain.  I guess we have nothing more important to
> do with our time.

My motivation for raising the issue and deleting that text was not one
of bikeshedding.

Of course, as a piece of software with a 40 year history, Emacs is both
bound to and probably should be a relatively conservative project. But,
at the same time, it does need to change and adapt with the times, at
many different levels. And, it has done: dash.el at a code level, a
package system at adminstrative level and now double buffering in the
display.

Emacs is old. Because of this it displays in part maturity and in parts
senescence. Keep the former is a good thing, the latter is not. What
concerns me, here, is that in a document which might be the first thing
that a prospective new user sees, we are saying "if you use Windows 9x".

Every year, I get the privilege of teaching some of the next generation
of programmers, and I live program with Emacs in front of them. Windows
98 became obsolete when they were eight and was released before they
were born. We're never going to be the coolest kids on the block and to
try would be Dad-dancing. But, appearing to live in the past is not good
either (cue Jethro Tull).

Here I leave the discussion.

Phil






  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-07 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-03 15:32 Windows emacs-25.1 i686 vs x86_64? David M. Miller
2016-11-03 15:39 ` tomas
2016-11-03 16:00 ` David M. Miller
2016-11-03 16:26   ` John Mastro
2016-11-03 16:28   ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-03 17:44     ` David M. Miller
2016-11-03 22:21       ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-03 17:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-03 22:25       ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-04  7:19         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-04 10:19           ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-05  8:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-05 22:26               ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-06  3:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-06  8:10                   ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-06 15:48                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-06 16:13                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-11-06 16:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-06 17:01                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-11-06 17:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-06 18:26                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-11-06 18:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-06 19:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-06 20:15                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-11-07 14:40                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-07 15:16                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-08 13:53                                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-06 16:51                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-06 18:50                       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-07 14:42                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-06 21:54                       ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-06 21:57                         ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-07 14:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-07 15:15                           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-07 15:26                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-08 13:53                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-08 14:52                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-08 15:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-09 16:50                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-09 17:15                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-09 17:18                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-10 15:19                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-09  7:00                                 ` martin rudalics
2016-11-15 10:26                                 ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-07 16:34                           ` Paul Eggert
2016-11-07 18:07                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-07 19:02                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-07 19:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-07 21:54                                   ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2016-11-07 19:39                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-07 20:02                                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-07 20:10                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-07 20:22                                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-07 20:27                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-08  3:48                                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-11-08 15:32                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-07 18:49                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-08 13:55                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-08 14:34                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-06 21:50                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-11-06  4:13                 ` Noam Postavsky

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