From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Change Tramp syntax Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:30:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87fuiimjph.fsf@detlef> References: <20170309184457.29604.13048@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20170309184458.08C9725FCF@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87k27xfo3q.fsf@detlef> <87efy5fmml.fsf@detlef> <87mvcti5he.fsf_-_@detlef> <8760jfegz4.fsf@detlef> <83o9x7d1a6.fsf@gnu.org> <87lgsbd08r.fsf@detlef> <83innecyld.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1489343438 25212 195.159.176.226 (12 Mar 2017 18:30:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:30:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 12 19:30:34 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cn8GG-0005uV-Lw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:30:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48010 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cn8GM-0003I2-HP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:30:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33937) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cn8GH-0003Hh-58 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:30:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cn8GG-0007RG-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:30:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:52747) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cn8GC-0007JW-DS; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 14:30:28 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.62.175]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lg0wl-1cTUc20EZ9-00pZeZ; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:30:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83innecyld.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:18:54 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:l8JjWP4frsliVkOP5hqIcZVuK2d6iQyNCT0BvL/qqeD5PR5OOTV PFPRyX3AmrwQBaG1q0c37vh7rtMZbuDVLl5fxCfQjG3l/9nDXrhtHWnQGPZmEaFiwsdUWFq fyPOiAQ/QyIRzFcCu5onm+k2H3LaT5seF4DfXYtbKs3WDrqh9uDBz/4QAL2vK9/wtNTk1qL 7bSxaYjDxO4k49orMer0g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:N5yv5CnYFds=:iPeIhCRLjF3WMr8VJ2KOuQ AJxCvLdcpEIgM0Eaaxn/1oMaQ8ub6k7ljdP8KVmq8az03Oh1CNmsSAxxxm5cHm7pUnvtccwCh Mc4Az9K1a9SVjWNuGRIK6huvmXm/ZNgwpvO8redYDLIgeeYH8a3PZnjE86gdDLj29L1Hpsijy 7M3Co4Kh3Zq2FCJpMoQlP7+DCT+gjvN7xtVeJENXzaVdRjB/VFnY5h7khzPfbLmyvFqxq/Nz8 hd4VyI2M2pgK7Lje2LUj7L+t6tyCjVxcxmUSiW6qiOclWUdppDfGA6Oh5J78xyXEdD6r16nZC f+UScI7BoEX78ldl974FOcmj1B1MxBjc2N7KmqWJ/xdVVIoMqnPuAHqD3jdWxu1IYecGbuYKT zqENcnna7IyUUGq9atvV65fcut5P6he7xNVb0nv04arEmo7HfuPAwrlV73nDyuLqhgJiDQquC Es73dpRLpuomiB8cmAYNhkynJElckOlai5MPQo2VOm8u+tF+0Vr5OuFFOLmjfMiDxxbI+Pt1h JG76BAoiSlaAsNdmCTkUUu9zfXXILzwvGpamceRwjkeJK/i3o92LpOXNZcP415ehXx+K18C6P iNZNAU5cpQx9lL6PNq44RIbqEx0gJKq+0cXwz6oY37qHg9UoB/7scTobuvd4DnvHpwEHb2RRT hf21UszgWfJbqm4PjZVuCufzqQ0I/eBBLgGLb6FmY4EgcA65raly7X/4jao7AN0rr8Z6vDdyn 5Xzq7OXCq4O4MEm524VTHoVJm7F3s/F2Awh0ZWwkbhftThwX3Ylu2Fm6U1spTcjhuTrcMCR1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.15 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:212957 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, >> "~/da" shall not invoke Tramp. But it does, indeed. If I call "emacs -Q" >> and eval "M-x debug-on-entry RET load", then Tramp is already loaded >> after typing "~/d". The reason is >> >> substitute-in-file-name("/d") >> rfn-eshadow-update-overlay() >> read-from-minibuffer("Find file: " "~/" (keymap (keymap (32)) keymap (10 . m > > Can we get rid of this somehow? It used to be possible to avoid > loading Tramp when specifying local file names. I'm just working on changing Tramp to require always a method. After that, I'll check whether we could optimize the autoloads. Best regards, Michael.