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From: Alex <agrambot@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, John Wiegley <johnw@gnu.org>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Changing default mouse bindings (was: poplife-mode)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:08:12 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fu9heq03.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpo8mndd2.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:20:15 -0500")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> AFAICT, it's the only way, with your approach, to see
>> the region you will act on get highlighted.  Are you
>> relegating your approach to menus that don't have items
>> that act on the region?
>
> My suggestion is for a context menu.  I.e. a menu of things to apply
> locally.  Nothing specifically to do with the region.  The region is but
> one particular kind of "local" thing (and the down-mouse-3 event is not
> necessarily placed near the region).  I don't expect that the region
> would/will be the main use of this functionality.
>
>
>         Stefan

Is it completely out of the question to just bind right-click directly
to this context menu by default instead of using double clicks or long
clicks?  If so, will it ever be considered?  It would be a shame if
Emacs is never able to shed some of its old baggage.

Drew mentioned that this context menu is shown only on mouse release in
Windows (it's on the down event on my GTK system), so perhaps it should
be dependent on the system?

I understand being hesitant to change longstanding default bindings, but
I would imagine that most people that use the mouse would prefer more
"standard" mouse bindings; though without conducting a poll, this is of
course wild speculation.

Here are the two main changes that I think would make sense:

1. (down-)mouse-3 should open a context menu.

2. S-down-mouse-1 should extend the region as it does in many other
programs.  If the non-standard kill behaviour is to be
kept, then S-down-mouse-1 could just be bound directly to
`mouse-save-then-kill', but it would have to be modified to handle a
down and drag events.

As for the old binding of S-down-mouse-1, its contents should probably
go in the menu-bar somewhere (perhaps in a new View menu as is common in
other programs).

Shift modified mouse clicks don't work in text terminals, so perhaps
this shouldn't happen in such terminals.

The above should still satisfy most use-cases that
`mouse-save-then-kill' satisfies (either with S-down-mouse-1 or by
dragging mouse-1 and selecting `cut' in the context menu), as well as
providing, with a "standard" UI, the common additional functionality
that context menus bring.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-13 23:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-05  1:00 poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-05  5:52 ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-11 12:47 ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-11 15:01   ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 13:55     ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-12 16:46       ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 16:54         ` poplife-mode Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-12 17:47           ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 19:17             ` poplife-mode Yuri Khan
2017-11-12 20:32               ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-12 20:36               ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13  5:03                 ` poplife-mode Yuri Khan
2017-11-12 18:06         ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-12 20:24           ` poplife-mode Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-13  8:11             ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-13 14:36               ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 23:03                 ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-14  0:48                   ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-14 23:26                     ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-14 23:40                       ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  1:36         ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  3:40         ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13  4:06           ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 14:36             ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 15:24               ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 17:08                 ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 20:20                   ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 21:56                     ` poplife-mode Drew Adams
2017-11-13 23:13                       ` poplife-mode Stefan Monnier
2017-11-13 23:08                     ` Alex [this message]
2017-11-14  2:50                       ` Changing default mouse bindings Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14  7:07                         ` Yuri Khan
2017-11-14 16:34                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14 15:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-14 16:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-14 16:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <<838tf8lwqn.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-14 15:35                           ` Drew Adams
2017-11-14 16:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <<<838tf8lwqn.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                           ` <<69307385-5625-48dc-9611-ad7f0b6bd529@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<83r2t0kdaz.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-14 19:47                               ` Drew Adams
2017-11-14 20:26                       ` Changing default mouse bindings (was: poplife-mode) Charles A. Roelli
2017-11-14 23:11                         ` Changing default mouse bindings Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-15  3:16                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-16 23:21                             ` Tak Kunihiro
2017-11-17  7:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-17 15:28                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-10  4:34                                   ` Tak Kunihiro
     [not found]                               ` <<838tf5id1e.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-11-17 15:31                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-11-17 16:25                       ` Sam Steingold
2017-11-13 23:16                 ` poplife-mode Tak Kunihiro
     [not found]   ` <<jwvy3ncx3kx.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <<m2h8tzppod.fsf@aurox.ch>
2017-11-13  1:06       ` poplife-mode Drew Adams

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