From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ricardo Wurmus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20484: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 08:11:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87fu2gb6ya.fsf__43121.3113050491$1527228749$gmane$org@elephly.net> References: <87tvqw4w8s.fsf@russet.org.uk> <6443412a-5803-d9c0-1ef3-ece7f49c43e1@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527228749 30981 195.159.176.226 (25 May 2018 06:12:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 06:12:29 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 25.3.1 Cc: Paul Eggert , Emacs-Devel devel , 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Phillip Lord To: Van L Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 25 08:12:24 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM5xg-0007wf-3g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1527228690; s=zoho; d=elephly.net; i=rekado@elephly.net; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; l=943; bh=QzPRh6PPqYoM92KLz6Zvh6SPh+PQrFqdv+0WB0lmcqY=; b=imCatwYrdpdltKepSVJ/8RXAJ5RB8lec0s2XV5/9G0xaERw9T8OrwgZsFzivkvtE Ek1nFh3IQRHCXnb73kK1+B5QY6IQSaNek7IIoXVFUHbvVHSkfdNyfev5RdZbrPHx2kw vGfLzUllpaYcvyaL3MkyD521/krTmrg+cL/bNtJQ= Original-Received: from localhost (port-92-200-51-123.dynamic.qsc.de [92.200.51.123]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 152722869040132.06256671509425; Thu, 24 May 2018 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: X-URL: https://elephly.net X-PGP-Key: https://elephly.net/rekado.pubkey X-PGP-Fingerprint: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC X-ZohoMailClient: External X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146527 Archived-At: Van L writes: >> Paul Eggert writes: >> >> this is the most recent RHEL available > > You could have your sclerotic institution=E2=80=99s IT manager provide > Enterprise RHEL for students studying topics as old as the hills and > mountains (and they won=E2=80=99t change) and request them to =E2=80=9Cth= ink" about > the latest unstable Fedora or Debian or Ubuntu releases for research > oriented experimental AI & CS =E2=80=9Cwork=E2=80=9D which are hot career= topics and > ought not to be held back by bureaucratically convenient RHEL IT > hell. Ask them for what Tesla or Uber or Facebook or Google use to > keep up with =E2=80=9Cinnovation=E2=80=9D before it is "too late" on RHEL= . This is not constructive. There are even RHEL 6 deployments out there, because it=E2=80=99s still supported until 2020. There are people who pay for the privilege of not having to upgrade. -- Ricardo