From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Three cheers for Eli! Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 06:47:49 +0200 Message-ID: <87fu23b1je.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <20180528174225.GA4316@ACM> <300eabee-1f11-268c-619f-373399d65ad2@yandex.ru> <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528087738 10519 195.159.176.226 (4 Jun 2018 04:48:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 04:48:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, rms@gnu.org, john@yates-sheets.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 04 06:48:53 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPhQL-0002eD-5b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 06:48:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37627 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPhSS-0004g8-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 00:51:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50766) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPhRn-0004eY-Eg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 00:50:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPhRm-000167-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 00:50:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:59299) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPhRg-00011o-Ai; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 00:50:16 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A1FE57BE3; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 06:49:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dggDgi5qYPMK; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 06:49:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65CFCE57BE4; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 06:48:59 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225983 Archived-At: On 2018-06-03, at 16:58, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something: is there a problem to say "free software > and open-source projects"? There's no doubt open-source projects do > exist, it's just that GNU projects are not among them. But if someone > wants to name them all collectively, where's the problem in that? Out of curiosity: why aren't GNU projects open-source? I know RMS dislikes the term, but the source of GNU projects is available on the Internet, so technically they should count, no? Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl